Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-attack-00 was RE: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01

Jacob Appelbaum <> Thu, 05 December 2013 00:37 UTC

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Bruce Perens:
> On 12/04/2013 03:52 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>> It was very clearly implied and your general tone is so shitty, I had to read 
>> some headers to ensure you weren't being impersonated.
> Well, you are reading me wrong. Please stop now.

I'm not clear that I am reading you incorrectly.

>> Have you asked anyone at the EFF what they think of your legal opinions?
> I have been in the position of stating my intention to violate national law and 
> having EFF advise me to stop for my own safety. It was a DMCA issue. EFF does 
> not advise you to put your own head on the block.

Ill advised again:

So really, ask some folks at the EFF about your legal views here? They
literally advise people to use Tor to defend against what they view as
illegal state surveillance by the NSA:

> It's not what your software does, Jacob. It is the fact that folks here clearly 
> and publicly presented this as not just a way to stop some random bad actor, but 
> a way to stop NSA. For many of them, a branch of their own government's defense 
> department. And I just told them they were ill-advised!

The very same department that is not legally allowed to spy on those
Americans, I might add.

We're probably going to have to agree to disagree at this point. I'd be
happy to buy you a drink to discuss this in person - if you happen to be
attending the CCC 30c3 in Hamburg, I think it would make for a great

All the best,