Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-attack-00 was RE: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01
Jacob Appelbaum <jacob@appelbaum.net> Thu, 05 December 2013 00:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-attack-00 was RE: perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01
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Bruce Perens: > On 12/04/2013 03:52 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> It was very clearly implied and your general tone is so shitty, I had to read >> some headers to ensure you weren't being impersonated. > Well, you are reading me wrong. Please stop now. I'm not clear that I am reading you incorrectly. >> Have you asked anyone at the EFF what they think of your legal opinions? > I have been in the position of stating my intention to violate national law and > having EFF advise me to stop for my own safety. It was a DMCA issue. EFF does > not advise you to put your own head on the block. Ill advised again: https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying So really, ask some folks at the EFF about your legal views here? They literally advise people to use Tor to defend against what they view as illegal state surveillance by the NSA: https://ssd.eff.org/foreign/summing-up > > It's not what your software does, Jacob. It is the fact that folks here clearly > and publicly presented this as not just a way to stop some random bad actor, but > a way to stop NSA. For many of them, a branch of their own government's defense > department. And I just told them they were ill-advised! The very same department that is not legally allowed to spy on those Americans, I might add. We're probably going to have to agree to disagree at this point. I'd be happy to buy you a drink to discuss this in person - if you happen to be attending the CCC 30c3 in Hamburg, I think it would make for a great discussion. All the best, Jacob
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- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… l.wood
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Jacob Appelbaum
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Jacob Appelbaum
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Bruce Perens
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Josh Howlett
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Josh Howlett
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Josh Howlett
- Re: [perpass] Commnets on draft-farrell-perpass-a… Stephen Farrell
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