Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Fri, 21 October 2005 08:19 UTC
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Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:19:48 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>, Scott W Brim <sbrim@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings
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--On fredag, oktober 21, 2005 10:42:40 +0300 Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote: > Scott W Brim wrote: > >> How can we have the focus of the interims and >> still have the cross-fertilization? >> >> > Easy. Do both. Its silly to think that 3 x 2 hrs = 6 hrs > of face time per year will advance any major piece of > technology. In addition, people will need to have > design teams, conference calls, interim meetings, > private meetings, etc. And obviously work on their > drafts and reviews on their own. And work on the mailing list, of course..... In some ways, I see face-to-face meetings as accelerating the work of the mailing list more than replacing the at-IETF meetings. > Having said that, I don't think the focus of the main > IETF meeting should be just "reporting to a broader > audience" as Geoff put it. I hate status report meetings > packed with 10 minute slots of "we updated the draft > and here are the issues please continue the discussion > on the list". Its true that we do get a broader audience, > both within and outside the WG in the IETF main meetings. > However, the meeting should still focus on discussion > of relevant technical topics, engaging not just > the regular key contributors but also others in this > discussion. Concur. This is very much a chair orientation issue, I think; if the chair insists on running the session as a 5-min-per-draft reporting session, that's how it will be. The chair has the power to decide this - and the chair SHOULD know what the critical issues for the WG are at any given time. Harald _______________________________________________ Pesci-discuss mailing list Pesci-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pesci-discuss
- [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings (was: Re: I… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings (was: R… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings (was: R… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings (was: R… Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings Jari Arkko
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings (was: R… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings Dave Crocker
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings Jari Arkko
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Face-to-face meetings Tony Hansen