[Pesci-discuss] Re: Principles and mission (Re: Almost certainly)
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Subject: [Pesci-discuss] Re: Principles and mission (Re: Almost certainly)
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Actually I realised yesterday (thanks to Sam's nagging - it's good to have
an AD to keep me honest) that we need to separate three types:
1) Basic, hopefully invariant, IETF principles
2) Principles for necessary process changes
3) Principles for a new process to change the process
Having reviewed the mission statement and a lot of other stuff prior
to the PESCI draft, I'm not 100% convinced that the mission statement
captures every single part of 1), but I think the problem here is
to capture 2) and 3) and separate 2) from 3). Our draft
is not clear enough about that yet.
Brian
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
>
>
> --On 27. oktober 2005 16:47 +0200 Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Another point to consider is whether we did the right thing in
>> pushing the laundry list of raw principles off into an Appendix.
>> But we do need to be very clear about separating basic, unchanging
>> principles from the specific principles for change. Maybe the basics
>> should be spun off as a completely separate item of work?
>
>
> I'm *somewhat* biased, but I think we captured a pretty basic set of
> principles in the IETF Mission Statement.
> I'd like to get our principles sorted into 3 groups:
>
> - Basic Principles that are in the mission statement. Remove and replace
> with pointer.
> - Basic Principles that should have been in the mission statement. Refer
> to a mission statement upgrade. (I *hope* that's an empty list.....)
> - Guiding Principles and Change Prinicples that follow from the
> prinicples in the mission statement. They belong here.
>
> Does that make sense? At all?
>
>
>
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