[Pesci-discuss] pesci-next-steps
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Elwyn, I read your nice simple document today. I felt an immediate response was waranteed, so I'm typing on the bus. I agree with everything. Please I'd improve. 2.0: recall I kept asking if this was the meta-process or the meta-meta-process. I want to suggest that this be made explicite --- your document is describing a meta-meta-process. process: what a WG uses (such as "IPSEC") meta-process: what a meta-WG uses (such as "newtrk") meta-meta-process: your document 2.1: I think it is important to say that your meta-meta-process is simply a choice of a common IETF methodology --- the design team. i.e. no new technology is being proposed. It should be clear that newtrk, for instance, didn't really go the design team method. To a large extent, I'd call all WG lists "self-selected committee of the whole". A design team is often not self-selected, and does not represent the whole. 3.0: you could consider reducing the problem set to just "IETF Chair", I doubt that any solution could be found to deal with that problem that didn't involve the IESG. Maybe, instead of worrying about how to streamline the IETF, we should restrict ourself to streamlining the IESG. <SOLUTIONISM> I would see things like bringing the IRTF in formally under the IAB, maybe changing the name from "IETF #65 meeting" to "IAB #65 plenary". I'd like to see things like having people/design-team publish an Informational RFC as being the basis for a WG charter, for instance. </SOLUTIONISM> - -- ] ON HUMILITY: to err is human. To moo, bovine. | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBQ/4yaYCLcPvd0N1lAQIjkwf6AhaW9813ki5ZgaeLGuyd3+af0EyuGgnR lkw5jahhMorIVu/sORAfdeFsrdpRn+N2k43pMCcTyafqmAMuPICVswm1qMIGorTR JTPLKA2OGPK4/1gACXFqpzPnfNWtHoTvXSH1rE5HKz9w4uA4YPVaX5jOT36ljV1o 9RCJIPOGJDNsGhwv4rcBbV078C1EpajtSiCwVhcS+lXbvC9eK7scOWbJ5mf0Is+5 5D3UOzZUNSRfK0twoLoDmA/9ype7Ll/Wh8jr/1LZArUDcqK7uvjWjZIsYPYCG3pF xvPTIwMGwOeFEb0W9IoiXa7UPJtTUJae9+T2y0dH2WwSZVOeGDgNQA== =FrmA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Pesci-discuss mailing list Pesci-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pesci-discuss
- [Pesci-discuss] pesci-next-steps Michael Richardson
- [Pesci-discuss] Re: pesci-next-steps Elwyn Davies