Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making
Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Tue, 01 November 2005 16:57 UTC
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>>>>> "Melinda" == Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com> writes: Melinda> On 11/1/05 11:22 AM, "Sam Hartman" Melinda> <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> wrote: >> I'm here because of the consensus process. Melinda> Could you describe what you mean by that? The reason I Melinda> ask is that what I'm seeing is that there really isn't a Melinda> functioning consensus process in the IETF in general, at Melinda> least when it comes to making decisions. Collaboration, Melinda> sure, but not consensus decision-making. Chairs tend to In the working groups where I participate, we do work very hard to reach consensus. There are typically at most one or two people who feel that their concerns have not been addressed on any given issue. One aspect of it is that the effort would fail rather than produce a sufficiently unacceptable result. I'm sorry your experience in the IETF is not the same, but I'm very reluctant to give up the good qualities I have. _______________________________________________ Pesci-discuss mailing list Pesci-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pesci-discuss
- [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making Melinda Shore
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making Sam Hartman
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making Melinda Shore
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making Jari Arkko
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making Sam Hartman
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making Sam Hartman
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making Thomas Narten
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making Melinda Shore