Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:55:15 -0400
 Leslie Daigle <leslie@thinkingcat.com> wrote:
> 
> I've respected your cc trim, but will observe that you
> are assuming PESCI is a WG, which is not clear to me,
> and it doesn't strike me this is a PESCI issue.
> 

Oh, I just got tired of receiving  two copies of every message.

> Marshall Eubanks wrote:
> > Or, maybe I missed something, but is a design team ever *required* to act on points raised on
> the
> > miling list ? IIRC IETF does not operate on votes.
> 
> 
> I started writing that thought when I asked myself why I
> would bother to contribute to the PESCI discuss mailing
> list.  My time (like everyone else's on this list) is
> valuable.  I *contribute* to WGs because it's a contribution
> to an open WG effort, whether or not the design team picks up
> on it.
> 
> If you want to say "it doesn't matter, it's all bits in the
> wind until there's a final document proposal that goes through
> last call", then that's fine:  it's your answer to my question.
> But it also doesn't answer whether we need to bother with
> WGs at all (for other topics).
> 

No, that's not what I mean, more the opposite. I agree with you; 
I am not that humble, if I bother to
post to a WG list, I expect at least cursory attention. My meaning was
just that there is never a way to _enforce_ paying attention, or rather, to force
changes in direction  as a  result of paying attention. (I worked in the Government, I know better.)
However, I think that
most of us can judge if good ideas are getting  listened to or are being ignored.
In my limited experience, if a WG is too "wired", people will either leave or  complain.
In this case, I would expect loud  complaints.

I happen to think that the WG model works  surprisingly well, and that most of the time, WG members
are listened to and can affect the course of events. Such openness may not be rigorously
enforceable, but it can be approached asymptotically, which is really all that we can ask for.
I would hope that PESCI  would aspire to the  same standard.

> Leslie.
> 
> 
> 

Marshall

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