Re: [Pesci-discuss] Re: Fw: Last NomCom 2005/06 Call for Volunteers

On Oct 4, 2005, at 18:03, Pekka Savola wrote:
>
> So, my concern here is that current NOMCOM structure seems to  
> encourage participation from big vendors who can promise their  
> employees something to the effect of:
>
> "being able to affect IETF leadership is so important that we'll  
> get you a big bonus and shift off your day-time job if you get  
> chosen -- you must put your name to the hat!"
>
> .. and this seems troublesome.

More than 40% of the last NomCom volunteers (53/123) came from four  
big vendors (low estimate, other people may have used a non-company  
address when volunteering):

[eggert@n-eggert: ~] wget -O- -q http://www.ietf.org/nomcom/ 
msg10.06.04.txt | perl -n -e 's/.*@(.*)>/\1/ and print' | sort -n |  
uniq -c | sort -r
   19 cisco.com
   13 nokia.com
   11 nortelnetworks.com
   10 ericsson.com
    4 lucent.com
    3 siemens.com
    3 juniper.net
    3 alcatel.com
    2 verisign.com
    2 sun.com
    2 samsung.com
    2 mcsr-labs.org
    2 francetelecom.com
    2 alcatel.be
<cut about 100 unique FQDNs to save some space>

The ratio of these four among the final voting members was even  
higher, with 6 out of 10 from these same four vendors:

Alia Atlas <aatlas@avici.com>
Andrew Lange <andrew.lange@alcatel.com>
Chris Liljenstolpe <chris@liljenstolpe.org>
Juha Wiljakka <juha.wiljakka@nokia.com>
Lakshminath Dondeti <ldondeti@nortelnetworks.com>
Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
Markus Isomaki <markus.isomaki@nokia.com>
Matt Larson <mlarson@verisign.com>
Russ White <riw@cisco.com>
Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>

So it appears possible that due to the relatively small number of  
NomCom volunteers compared to the large number of eligible people,  
the process could be gamed relatively easily. If the volunteer pool  
shrinks more, this is becoming easier still.

To be clear here, I am *not* criticizing the 2004/2005 NomCom people  
or their decisions! I'm merely using the data to illustrate a point:  
if anything, the pool of NomCom volunteers is already too small;  
changes that cause it to shrink are problematic.

Lars
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Lars Eggert                                     NEC Network Laboratories

Re: [Pesci-discuss] Re: Fw: Last NomCom 2005/06 Call for Volunteers

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