[Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bright sparks of genius
Elwyn Davies <elwynd@dial.pipex.com> Wed, 26 October 2005 11:08 UTC
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Subject: [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bright sparks of genius
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The best work in the IETF (IMH and personal O) comes from recognition of a problem blended with the kernel of an idea for a solution. Within those solutions, progress is made by individuals or small design teams coming up with ideas that advance the work. The original ideas hardly ever stem from the larger consensus. The virtue of the wg and the larger IETF, at their best, is to recognize the better mousetrap for what it is, to support it and to converge round it. The IAB and the IESG are supposed to be architecturally, technically and managerially aware of the problem space in which we are working. They need to make the IETF and the wider world aware of this week's problems and promote the solutions we offer, but except as individuals they are unlikely to come up with the sparks of inventive genius that start us on the path to solutions. What they should be doing is looking in the right places for those sparks of genius and then nuturing and fanning the flames into a real better mousetrap solution which can achieve technical excellence, market effectiveness and IETF consensus. The IESG has to *steer* these small sparks into enormous bonfires that will burn up the problems (got a bit carried away with the metaphor there). [Aside: Maybe there is a principle in there that we didn't write down?] To my mind this applies just as much to our process as to the technical work. The discussion over the last couple of weeks has spent far too much time worrying whether what PESCI is doing is subverting the IETF aethos, rather than seeing it as a way to find out if there are any sparks of genius out there to be nurtured. The discussion to date has neither spent a lot of time reviewing the principles proposed (with one or two honorable exceptions) nor have we seen any solutions proposed. If we agree that there is some sort of problem, it seems to me that almost any means is legitimate as a way to find the kernel of a solution. If the current draft does revisit the ground covered by 'problem' maybe it will trigger the Eureka moment in somebody for some part of a perceived problem and they (and maybe some of their colleagues) can come up with a strawman that we can discuss. Until we have a strawman, the discussion is likely to remain unfocussed and procedural rather than solutional as it has done for the last couple of years So: any or all of you, read what the draft says, please. Then: do you believe there is a problem? If so do you have a bright idea? Then come and propose it. Only then are we likely to make progress and it will be up to the community and the IESG to nurture and guide it (not necessarily work it). Only if this proposal is imposed without achieving community (rough) consensus is the IETF ethos subverted. _______________________________________________ Pesci-discuss mailing list Pesci-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pesci-discuss
- [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bright … Elwyn Davies
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bri… JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bri… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- [Pesci-discuss] Section 6 comments Jari Arkko
- Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Finding… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Fin… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Fin… Scott W Brim
- Re: Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Fin… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Fin… Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Section 6 comments Brian E Carpenter
- [Pesci-discuss] Principles and mission (Re: Almos… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bri… Dave Crocker
- [Pesci-discuss] Re: Principles and mission (Re: A… Brian E Carpenter