Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bright sparks of genius)

I have been doing my day job at NANOG and have not even completely 
assimilated the PESCI draft and JohnK's recent note about PESCI, much less 
what has gone on since then, but

> [Aside: Maybe there is a principle in there that we didn't write down?]

Yeah, almost certainly, the list of 30-something principles is not complete, 
and not all the list elements are principles either.

Thre PESCI team has many people that I like AND respect on it, but whaever 
the current draft says, the IETF does NOT have 30-something principles.

The work that the PESCI team has done is good work, but we still don't know 
what the principles ARE - for my definition of "principle" - something that 
cannot change without the IETF not being the IETF, but turning into 
something else.

My suggestion, based on not a lot of sleep or thought, is that the BOF focus 
on getting community feedback on what the principles are, and the list of 
30-something is a reasonable starting point to winnow from.

I can say this on this list, on the IETF list, at the BOF, or at the 
plenary, but whatever else we need between Vancouver and Dallas for process 
evolution to move forward, we need to know those principles.

The alternative is that we evolve the IETF process in a way that the 
community will not follow, and that would be very unfortunate.

Thanks,

Spencer 

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