Re: [Pesci-discuss] Re: Fw: Last NomCom 2005/06 Call for Volunteers

Lars,

It was exactly because of this issue that the "two
per company" limit was put into the Nomcom rules -
but the effect that large companies will tend to trigger
large cohorts of volunteers is inevitable.

Of course that rule can be made stricter, but that's
a detail as far as PESCI is concerned, I think.
The issues here are more of ensuring that the Nomcom
volunteer pool is large enough, which I'm sure is
affected by the workload, or of considering fundamental
alternatives.

    Brian

Lars Eggert wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2005, at 18:03, Pekka Savola wrote:
> 
>>
>> So, my concern here is that current NOMCOM structure seems to  
>> encourage participation from big vendors who can promise their  
>> employees something to the effect of:
>>
>> "being able to affect IETF leadership is so important that we'll  get 
>> you a big bonus and shift off your day-time job if you get  chosen -- 
>> you must put your name to the hat!"
>>
>> .. and this seems troublesome.
> 
> 
> More than 40% of the last NomCom volunteers (53/123) came from four  big 
> vendors (low estimate, other people may have used a non-company  address 
> when volunteering):
> 
> [eggert@n-eggert: ~] wget -O- -q http://www.ietf.org/nomcom/ 
> msg10.06.04.txt | perl -n -e 's/.*@(.*)>/\1/ and print' | sort -n |  
> uniq -c | sort -r
>   19 cisco.com
>   13 nokia.com
>   11 nortelnetworks.com
>   10 ericsson.com
>    4 lucent.com
>    3 siemens.com
>    3 juniper.net
>    3 alcatel.com
>    2 verisign.com
>    2 sun.com
>    2 samsung.com
>    2 mcsr-labs.org
>    2 francetelecom.com
>    2 alcatel.be
> <cut about 100 unique FQDNs to save some space>
> 
> The ratio of these four among the final voting members was even  higher, 
> with 6 out of 10 from these same four vendors:
> 
> Alia Atlas <aatlas@avici.com>
> Andrew Lange <andrew.lange@alcatel.com>
> Chris Liljenstolpe <chris@liljenstolpe.org>
> Juha Wiljakka <juha.wiljakka@nokia.com>
> Lakshminath Dondeti <ldondeti@nortelnetworks.com>
> Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
> Markus Isomaki <markus.isomaki@nokia.com>
> Matt Larson <mlarson@verisign.com>
> Russ White <riw@cisco.com>
> Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>
> 
> So it appears possible that due to the relatively small number of  
> NomCom volunteers compared to the large number of eligible people,  the 
> process could be gamed relatively easily. If the volunteer pool  shrinks 
> more, this is becoming easier still.
> 
> To be clear here, I am *not* criticizing the 2004/2005 NomCom people  or 
> their decisions! I'm merely using the data to illustrate a point:  if 
> anything, the pool of NomCom volunteers is already too small;  changes 
> that cause it to shrink are problematic.
> 
> Lars
> -- 
> Lars Eggert                                     NEC Network Laboratories
> 
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