RE: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
> W.r.t.
>> Is PESCI characterizing the current process or inventing a new
>> one?  Is it about principles for the IETF or principles for
>> process change?
>
> My understanding is that the PESCI effort is to come up with
> a proposal for the IETF on "how to deal/handle process changes".
....

Indeed, there are two very separable issues.  I do have the similar 
concern that PESCI is trying to both devise process change process and 
how the the process should look like.

I believe the former is needed and seems rather urgent: it seemed 
apparent to me that process changes should not gate on the IESG.
So, I certainly support PESCI working on that.

I'm not sure yet quite sure of the latter.  There seems very high 
danger of re-hashing the problem statement effort; the initial draft 
certainly gives an impression of this.  I'd love to see concrete 
proposals for changes, though.

My suggestion here is obtaining a much clearer separation between the 
two, starting from splitting these to different Internet-Drafts, and 
possibly different (design) teams..

-- 
Pekka Savola                 "You each name yourselves king, yet the
Netcore Oy                    kingdom bleeds."
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