Re: Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bright sparks of genius)
Scott W Brim <swb@employees.org> Thu, 27 October 2005 11:57 UTC
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From: Scott W Brim <swb@employees.org>
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Subject: Re: Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 06:08:07AM -0700, Spencer Dawkins allegedly wrote: > Thre PESCI team has many people that I like AND respect on it, but > whaever the current draft says, the IETF does NOT have 30-something > principles. Good, we've got you thinking about it. In order to discuss processes for process change, we have to agree on core principles, and not take short cuts on doing so. > My suggestion, based on not a lot of sleep or thought, is that the > BOF focus on getting community feedback on what the principles are, > and the list of 30-something is a reasonable starting point to > winnow from. I'd prefer doing *most* of this via mail (i.e. some can be done in the BOF but just to get it moving). It *should* be a long discussion, and participants should think and feel deeply between comments. > I can say this on this list, on the IETF list, at the BOF, or at the > plenary, but whatever else we need between Vancouver and Dallas for > process evolution to move forward, we need to know those principles. Yes. swb _______________________________________________ Pesci-discuss mailing list Pesci-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pesci-discuss
- [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bright … Elwyn Davies
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bri… JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bri… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- [Pesci-discuss] Section 6 comments Jari Arkko
- Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Finding… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Fin… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Fin… Scott W Brim
- Re: Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Fin… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Almost certainly (was Re: [Pesci-discuss] Fin… Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Section 6 comments Brian E Carpenter
- [Pesci-discuss] Principles and mission (Re: Almos… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Finding and nurturing the bri… Dave Crocker
- [Pesci-discuss] Re: Principles and mission (Re: A… Brian E Carpenter