Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI
Scott W Brim <swb@employees.org> Thu, 27 October 2005 15:14 UTC
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:13:16 -0400
From: Scott W Brim <swb@employees.org>
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Subject: Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI
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(limiting to pesci-discuss) On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 12:53:53PM -0400, Leslie Daigle allegedly wrote: > The big difference is -- there is absolutely no piece of IETF > standards process that *requires* that the "design team" listen to any > of the points provided on the "-discuss" list. There is a tacit > requirement, in that one presumes the appropriate AD will be recalled if > the result is clearly and obviously out of step with what the community > asks, but that's a high-risk negative motivation. First, there is no piece of IETF standards process that requires a WG design team to listen to WG discussion either. They can reject it, in which case their solution will likely be rejected. Second, since PESCI has no power, what is the concern? > So, a genuine question: is PESCI blurring lines, or does > this suggest that we have in fact given up on WGs/our process? I don't know that PESCI blurs lines, but it clearly doesn't fit in the existing ones. However, that doesn't have to mean that we have given up on our process yet. I certainly hope not :-). _______________________________________________ Pesci-discuss mailing list Pesci-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pesci-discuss
- [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Pekka Savola
- [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Dave Crocker
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Melinda Shore
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Brian E Carpenter
- [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Brian E Carpenter
- Plenary [Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns abo… Brian E Carpenter
- Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Plenary [Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns… Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Scott W Brim
- Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack o… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Dave Crocker
- Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack o… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack o… JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Plenary [Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns… Sam Hartman
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Dave Crocker
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Dave Crocker
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Leslie Daigle