Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making

Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Tue, 01 November 2005 16:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Pesci-discuss] principles for decision-making
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From: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu>
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:22:21 -0500
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>>>>> "Melinda" == Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com> writes:

    Melinda> As we discussed briefly last week, I see decision-making
    Melinda> in the IETF as both an ongoing problem and specifically
    Melinda> as an impediment to making changes in response to the
    Melinda> "problem" process.  I'm proposing a set of principles for
    Melinda> IETF decision-making, although now that I look at them
    Melinda> I'm not sure that they'll actually be useful for this
    Melinda> particular process.  Still, I hope they'll provide a
    Melinda> starting point for further discussion, at least.  My
    Melinda> specific concerns are that: 1) consensus-style
    Melinda> decision-making does not scale to an organization the
    Melinda> size of the IETF, 

I'm here because of the consensus process.  I believe it leads to
better quality technical work.  I have no interest in participating in
an IETF if "rough consensus and running code," is not the core
decision making principle.


So take this as at least one very strong voice for disagreement with
your approach.  I'm sure you expected that some people would hold my
position.

--Sam
 as an individual


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