Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow]
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Fri, 28 October 2005 09:19 UTC
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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:53:35 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow]
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--On 27. oktober 2005 11:53 -0400 Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com> wrote: > On 10/27/05 10:34 AM, "Brian E Carpenter" <brc@zurich.ibm.com> wrote: >> The PESCI team tended to consider this as one of the things >> we couldn't consider changing, and therefore there's nothing in >> section 4 suggesting any change in this area. Are you arguing for >> a change, and in that case can you offer a draft principle? > > I'd be happy to try, although making changes to the decision-making > process tends to imply changes to the "membership" model as well, > and I'm chary of going anywhere near that. But it's worth a taking > a look at what might be good base principles for decision-making > in the IETF, and perhaps just see where that goes in terms of the > rest of it. Perhaps our non-membership model and the rough consensus decision making method belong in a separate draft called "sacred cows of the IETF" - things that we need to think about, which aren't ****basic**** to the IETF, but where changing them is such a major effort that it should only be taken on if we're *really* sure we need to change them? Harald, tongue only slightly in cheek
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- [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Pekka Savola
- [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Dave Crocker
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Melinda Shore
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Brian E Carpenter
- [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Brian E Carpenter
- Plenary [Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns abo… Brian E Carpenter
- Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Plenary [Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns… Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Scott W Brim
- Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack o… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Dave Crocker
- Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack o… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack o… JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Plenary [Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns… Sam Hartman
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Dave Crocker
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Dave Crocker
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Leslie Daigle