Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow]
"JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@jefsey.com> Fri, 28 October 2005 10:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow]
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At 05:53 28/10/2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: >--On 27. oktober 2005 11:53 -0400 Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com> wrote: >>On 10/27/05 10:34 AM, "Brian E Carpenter" <brc@zurich.ibm.com> wrote: >>>The PESCI team tended to consider this as one of the things >>>we couldn't consider changing, and therefore there's nothing in >>>section 4 suggesting any change in this area. Are you arguing for >>>a change, and in that case can you offer a draft principle? >> >>I'd be happy to try, although making changes to the decision-making >>process tends to imply changes to the "membership" model as well, >>and I'm chary of going anywhere near that. But it's worth a taking >>a look at what might be good base principles for decision-making >>in the IETF, and perhaps just see where that goes in terms of the >>rest of it. > >Perhaps our non-membership model and the rough consensus decision >making method belong in a separate draft called "sacred cows of the >IETF" - things that we need to think about, which aren't >****basic**** to the IETF, but where changing them is such a major >effort that it should only be taken on if we're *really* sure we >need to change them? May be not to change the principle (open to all) but the practicalities. I would think advisable that posting on the IETF lists be submitted to a blog like page in order to check the reality of the person, his background/visions and his professional/commercial involvements. I suppose these would help a lot the WG work as people could explain their positions, refer to them and adapt as the WG work progress. jfc _______________________________________________ Pesci-discuss mailing list Pesci-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pesci-discuss
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- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Adrian Farrel
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- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Marshall Eubanks
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- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Brian E Carpenter
- [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI John C Klensin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Brian E Carpenter
- Plenary [Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns abo… Brian E Carpenter
- Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Plenary [Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns… Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Scott W Brim
- Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack o… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Dave Crocker
- Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack o… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Decision process [Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack o… JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Plenary [Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns… Sam Hartman
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Dave Crocker
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Growing concerns about PESCI Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] stack overflow Dave Crocker
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