Re: [Pidloc] PIdLoc Webex

Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Tue, 04 December 2018 16:54 UTC

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> Questioned explicitly by Dirk Luigi pointed out that LISP so far has not dealt with privacy problem but secured content by encryption and protected mapping request from attacks

This is a broad statement. Can someone be more specific. 

If DTLS is used for LISP protocol messages and LISP-crypto is used for encapsulation than both the LISP control-plane and data-plane support privacy. Note that if you don’t use DTLS, one can send control-plane messages over LISP-crypto. So the architecture can support privacy.

Dino