Re: [Pidloc] IETF/IRTF PIdLoc Sidemeeting at #109
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Subject: Re: [Pidloc] IETF/IRTF PIdLoc Sidemeeting at #109
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Dear Pidloc community, thanks for your interest in the discussions! Based on the feedback during the side meeting we think that best is to do in 2021 on pidloc ML to mainly concentrate on clarifying open issues in ILSR (Identifier / Locator Separated Routing) as described in Behcets slides. To come up with solution proposals would be the next step after having assessed the problem space thoroughly. To go for a separate RG the topic seems currently not mature enough. We wish you all a happy holiday season and all the best for a prosperous new year! Best regards Behcat & Dirk From: von Hugo, Dirk Sent: Montag, 23. November 2020 11:07 To: pidloc@ietf.org; sarikaya@ieee.org Cc: Schott, Roland <Roland.Schott@telekom.de>; Mark Baushke <mdb@juniper.net>; Primbs, Jonas <jonas.primbs@uni-tuebingen.de>; Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org> Subject: RE: IETF/IRTF PIdLoc Sidemeeting at #109 Dear all, thanks for participation on the side meeting last week which was attended by 10-12 participants. Please find below our draft minutes - and if you have comments or clarifications, questions or corrections: please come back to the list! Thanks! Best regards Behcet & Dirk IETF/IRTF PIdLoc Sidemeeting at #109, online, Thu Nov. 19, 2020, 16:00-17: 00 UTC (5-6 PM MET) Agenda: * Introduction * General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), Privacy and the ID/Loc separation (Luigi Iannone) * Next Steps in pidloc, mainly Identifier / Locator Separated Routing (ILSR) (Chairs) * Discussion About 11 people attended Behcet (BS) welcomed participants and introduced to the agenda. Luigi (LI) presented his slides on GDPR, Privacy & PIdLoc Marie-Jose (MJM) asked what the difference to PEARG is BS postponed the explanation to later. BS went over chair slides on challenges of ILSR. MJM asked whether we need a new RG or the charter of existing ones could be updated? MJM sees no research but extension of existing approach Commercial application satellite/airplanes need secure (closed) networks COINRG has undergone lot of research discussion and review on privacy and security BS examined that our focus is Routing (in view of privacy and IdLoc) MJM is extremely disappointed to see fragmented work on Routing in multiple initiatives. Colin (CP) asks for the active researchers participating Dirk (DH) expressed the expectation that they should have been attracted by a prospective charter CP explained that the critical mass of research community should be present already for chartering. The chairs thanked LI for his great presentation and everybody for participation and contribution. Advice of the IRSG reviewers will be taken into account Pidloc chat: Marie-Jose Montpetit to all: 5:13 PM Can you give examples of research on this topic? Marie-Jose Montpetit to all: 5:18 PM what is the link between this and pearg? Behcet Sarikaya to all: 5:23 PM @Marie-Jose I think is in the context of IdLoc Marie-Jose Montpetit to all: 5:35 PM Is this a proposal for a RG or a WG? Marie-Jose Montpetit to all: 5:35 PM if RG who are the researchers involved in this research? Luigi Iannone to all: 5:41 PM @behcet: remeber to give time for discussion.... Marie-Jose Montpetit to all: 5:45 PM so ILSR is a proposal for a new solution? Antoine Fressancourt to all: 5:53 PM There is a wealth of research on privacy and anonimity at network level: SCION, PHI, etc. Some of those researchers are using relays that can translate in a mapper in an ID/Loc system Marie-Jose Montpetit to all: 5:46 PM what are the research goals? From: von Hugo, Dirk Sent: Donnerstag, 19. November 2020 15:46 To: pidloc@ietf.org Cc: Schott, Roland <Roland.Schott@telekom.de>; Mark Baushke <mdb@juniper.net>; Primbs, Jonas <jonas.primbs@uni-tuebingen.de>; Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org> Subject: RE: IETF/IRTF PIdLoc Sidemeeting at #109 Dear all, may I remind you on our side meeting at 16:00 UTC ... -----Original Appointment----- From: von Hugo, Dirk Sent: Donnerstag, 19. November 2020 06:42 To: von Hugo, Dirk; pidloc@ietf.org<mailto:pidloc@ietf.org> Cc: Schott, Roland; Mark Baushke; Primbs, Jonas Subject: IETF/IRTF PIdLoc Sidemeeting at #109 When: Donnerstag, 19. November 2020 17:00-18:00 (UTC+01:00) Amsterdam, Berlin, Bern, Rome, Stockholm, Vienna. Where: Mobile +49697912290,,1749990656# Dial-in +49697912290 Meeting-ID 1749990656# webex Dear all, this will be our agenda and the link to join: * Introduction * General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), Privacy and the ID/Loc separation (Luigi Iannone) * Next Steps in pidloc, mainly Identifier / Locator Separated Routing (ILSR) (Chairs) * Discussion Thanks & best regards Behcet&Dirk ...
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