Re: [Pidloc] Next Generation IoT authentication

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Mon, 04 October 2021 08:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Pidloc] Next Generation IoT authentication
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sorry, I just found out that there exist smoke detectors on 4G... sorry.

Alex

Le 04/10/2021 à 10:44, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
>
> Hi,Dirk,
>
> It is not clear to me whether this looks at:
>
> - user authentication in systems beyond 5G ?
>
> - authentication for IoT devices on 5G or on WiFi?
>
> - multiple factor and multiple device authentication in the recent 
> Internet? (PC+smartphone at payment time, mandated by banks in Europem 
> recently).
>
> Le 04/10/2021 à 10:25, Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de a écrit :
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> as posted already last week on 6GIP ML we would like to discuss 
>> issues with authentication of IoT devices in future (e.g., beyond 5G) 
>> heterogeneous access networks as part of the need for new 
>> authentication models. We want to announce that the list description 
>> at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pidloc 
>> <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pidloc> has been changed 
>> accordingly in order to better align with the most recent issues of 
>> interest on such user-independent authentication.
>>
>> You may also find some use cases here: 
>> https://futurenetworks.ieee.org/images/files/pdf/Webinars/2021_FNI_WiFi_6G.pdf 
>> <https://futurenetworks.ieee.org/images/files/pdf/Webinars/2021_FNI_WiFi_6G.pdf> 
>> (as, e.g., mentioned on slide 37)
>>
>
> The slide is wrong.
>
> DEspite the usually accepted concept of a smoke detector connected on 
> 5G (or 4G), there is no such thing.  Smoke detectors have strong 
> requirements on radio reachability, battery life and their operational 
> cheking periodicity.  4G/5G are way out of these specs.  What can 
> there be are smoke detectors on WiFi or on Ethernet.  At that point 
> the 4G/5G drop out of the picture.
>
> Alex
>
>
>> We are looking forward to your comments and ideas!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Behcet & Dirk
>>
>>
>