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Re: [Pidloc] PIdLoc Webex

Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Wed, 05 December 2018 21:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Pidloc] PIdLoc Webex
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> DTLS could be applied to any UDP tunneling protocol, but that's not

Just to let you know that is not what I was suggesting. LISP could be use DTLS for its UDP control messages. Not tunneled packets since RFC 8061 (LISP-crypto) solves that. 

> really where the privacy problem lies. Presuming that as much of the
> packet is encrypted as possible, then the question becomes what can be
> inferred from the non-encrypted portions of the packet to breach
> someone's privacy. The obvious data that could be exploited are the IP
> addresses in a packet. There's at least two possible exploits: 1)

Yes for any protocol design. 

> Addresses allow correlations between two different flows that they are
> originated by the same user 2) Geo-location of a user can be deduced
> from observed addresses. The actual identity of a user isn't
> immediately available in addresses, but there's a fairly simple method
> to deduce identity using #1.

Only in the case of interacting with the mapping system, an eavesdropper can determine that an IP address is talking to a map-server or map-resolver but doesn’t know why and for what endpoints. 

That’s the best any design can hope for. The IP header can only be sent in the clear. 

Dino

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