OFF TOPIC ==> Re: IAHC archive [was Re: Comments on gTLD-MOU Leadership [was: Bob shaws misrepresentation of Jeff williams's comments]]

Jay Fenello <Jay@Iperdome.com> Thu, 14 May 1998 19:00 UTC

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:51:09 -0400
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From: Jay Fenello <Jay@Iperdome.com>
Subject: OFF TOPIC ==> Re: IAHC archive [was Re: Comments on gTLD-MOU Leadership [was: Bob shaws misrepresentation of Jeff williams's comments]]
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At 01:53 PM 5/14/98 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>
>Jay Fenello writes:
>> Based on your tone, it looks like  
>> I have hit a nerve ;-)
>
>Who's hit a nerve for whom, Mr. Fenello?  Nervous smiley there,
>perhaps?
>
>I've got logs, Mr. Fenello, of your machines being used to launch an
>attack on mine. You can't possibly be unaware of this. Eugene
>Kashpureff was probably the major player in the incident in question,
>but it appears you actively cooperated with him.
>
>As I said, I've never considered submitting them to the
>authorities. My taste for bringing the law to bear in what I could
>only describe as questions of decorum isn't very strong. However, as
>long as we are talking about archives, and as long as you were going
>to use inflamitory language, I thought I'd mention that there are all
>sorts of archives out there, and that the statute of limitations has
>yet to expire.


Hi Perry,

Thank you for showing the entire IETF community the
tactics that you have been using since I joined the
debate in January, 1997.  It is one reason why I have
named you one of the people most responsible for the 
divisions that now exist in the Internet community.

What started out as a discussion about missing email
archives (of which the Newdom discussions of the IAHC 
formation and the community response to it are *still* 
missing), you have resorted to the next strategy on 
your check list -- personal attacks.

And unlike the email archives that *have* mysteriously 
vanished, the details of my relationship with Eugene are 
clearly available in the remaining email archives.  I 
encourage everyone interested to review them at:
	http://www.newdom.com/archive/

I am proud of my involvement in this debate, and regardless
of the outcome, I know that in some small way, I have helped
to make the Internet a better place.

Regards,

Jay Fenello
President, Iperdome, Inc.  
404-250-3242  http://www.iperdome.com


>> Is there something in those missing archives that frightens you?
>
>There are no "missing archives" of postings.
>
>What there has been, this entire time, is the problem that on the
>internet, no one knows you're a dog -- or, put more directly, that
>uninformed observers have difficulty knowing that Jeff Williams is, in
>fact, a loon living in a residential hotel in Texas and is not the
>"Director" of anything other than his own bath towels, that Eugene, as
>much as he tried to make himself look like a reasonable guy, ended up
>being jailed thanks to his thuggish behavior, that Jim Fleming is a
>delusional guy who babbles about "Stargates" and the "IPv8" protocol,
>which exists entirely in his own imagination, and who largely posts
>calculated untruths about every topic he discusses, etc., etc.
>
>Practically the only person here who I actually see as a legitimately
>tragic figure is Karl Denninger, who is a reasonably honest man and
>who appears to have legitimately believed in what he was doing, and
>tried to do it with some honesty. The rest of you, however, all have
>about as much personal credibility as the Unibomber.
>
>For quite some time here, we've all had our inboxes saturated with
>crud by people who, in a previous era, would have been reduced to
>handing out mimeographs on the streetcorner about the CIA controlling
>their brains with microwaves. The lessons for the future of politics
>should be taken.
>
>However, in spite of your capacities for drivel production, you have
>nothing to frighten *ANYONE* here. What you can do, however, is post
>day and night until people surrender and put you in their kill files.
>
>Perry
>