Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pim-srv6-p2mp-path-01
Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> Thu, 28 January 2021 13:51 UTC
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From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pim-srv6-p2mp-path-01
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See IPv6 Jumbo grams in IANA IPv6 parameters codepoint. https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-parameters/ipv6-parameters.xhtml 0xC2 11 0 00010 Jumbo Payload [RFC2675 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc2675>] On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 8:48 AM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote: > All, > > Huaimo has provided some valuable responses to scaling issues. One point > to note as far as scaling is that most all provider run Jumbo frames 9216 > MTU and IPv4 length is 16 bits which can support up to 65,535 size packet. > > IPv6 header natively supports a 16 bit header length which is the same as > IPv4. > > RFC 2765 specifies a hbh options Jumbo payload option that carried a 32 > bit length field 65,536 and 4,294,967,295 octets in length. Packets with > such long payloads are referred to as > > "jumbograms". > > > All router and switch vendors today support super jumbo which is payload > length between 9000 and 65535 capping today at 9216. > > In the future as memory and buffer sizes increase in hardware fixed > function ASIC FPGA or programmable NPU for packet IO processing the sizes > will eventually jump to 65535. The next big step will be jumbo grams. š > > With SRv6 unlike SR-MPLS traditional MPLS based PTA cannot be leveraged > such as RAVP-TE or mLDP, so the options for P2MP MDT is very limited and If > you donāt want the source node overhead of IR or SR replication SID, you > just have BIER as your only option. > > Operators love having options and this draft provisss a valuable option > that does not require expensive upgraded to support BFR BIER. > > I support WG adoption as stated and as this draft is very promising for > operators as an SRv6 āBIER alternativeā. > > Thanks > > Gyan > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 9:13 PM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang= > 40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > >> Hi Huamo, >> >> >> >> āFor a network with 4k nodesā, how large could a multicast tree be, and >> with draft-chen, how do you encode that tree in packets? How many copies >> would you send if each copy is only for a sub-tree? >> >> >> >> A large network can be divided into BIER sub-domains, each with a smaller >> bitstring. If you use tunnel segmentation then you can have efficient >> replication all the way through (though the segmentation points will have >> per-tree state). If you donāt want to use segmentation, the ingress can >> tunnel one copy to each sub-domain and inside each sub-domain you can have >> efficient replication. >> >> >> >> Jeffrey >> >> >> >> *From:* Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@futurewei.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:39 PM >> *To:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) >> Zhang <zzhang=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - >> CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>; Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>; >> pim@ietf.org; 'Toerless Eckert' <tte@cs.fau.de> >> *Subject:* Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for >> draft-chen-pim-srv6-p2mp-path-01 >> >> >> >> *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* >> >> >> >> Hi Jeffrey, >> >> >> >> Thanks for your further comments. >> >> My responses are inline below with prefix [HC4]. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Huaimo >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net> >> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2021 10:08 PM >> *To:* Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@futurewei.com>; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang < >> zzhang=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - >> CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>; Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>; >> pim@ietf.org <pim@ietf.org>; 'Toerless Eckert' <tte@cs.fau.de> >> *Subject:* RE: [pim] pim wg adoption call for >> draft-chen-pim-srv6-p2mp-path-01 >> >> >> >> Hi Huaimo, >> >> >> >> Let me pull two points to the top of this email. >> >> >> >> >> >> [HC3]: This is for the case where the overhead in a BIER-TE packet is 10k >> bits >> >> when one BitString without any set is used. For the same overhead, how >> many links >> >> can be encoded. >> >> Zzh3> BIER-TE wonāt use 10k bits in the packet. It will use a finite >> number of bits (e.g. 512 bits or 1024 bits) with multiple sets, just like >> you break the entire tree into different sub-trees. The comparison is, say >> with 1024 bits as encoding space, how many nodes/links can each solution >> encode. I donāt see how draft-chen can do better. >> >> [HC4]: For a network with 4k nodes, there can be about 32k links and 64k >> BitPositions. >> >> When we use 1024 bits with multiple sets in the packet header, >> >> the number of sets and the size of the set need to represent 64k >> BitPositions, >> >> but 1024 bits contains a sub-tree that can be encoded in 1024 bits. >> >> If the size of the set is 64 bits, the number of sets needs to be 10 bits. >> >> Each set is encoded using 74 (64 bits for BitString + 10 bits for SI) >> bits. >> >> 1024 bits can contain 1024/74 = 13 sets. >> >> For a sub-tree traversing 13 links with BitPositions in 13 sets, >> >> 1024 bits encodes 13 links of this sub-tree in BIER-TE. >> >> With a good SID compression, the size of compressed SID can be 21 bits >> >> (12 bits for node IDs, 3 bits for branches, 6 bits for number of SIDs), >> >> 1024 bits can encode 1024/21 = 48 links/nodes of a sub-tree in >> draft-chen. >> >> >> >> [HC3]: It should be a new forwarding scheme for SRv6 replication segment. >> >> Under the network programming, replication SID is a new type of SID. >> >> It will have a new program/procedure for the behavior of this new SID >> >> even though it is ālikeā existing MPLS P2MP. >> >> Zzh3> The general SRv6 network programing idea is that an IPv6 address is >> broken into the locator part and func/arg part. The locator part gets >> traffic to a node and the func/argc part is looked up to decide what to do >> next. SRv6-P2MP follows that perfectly, so **nothing is new**. When I >> said it is ālikeā existing MPLS P2MP, I should also have said that it uses * >> *existing** SRv6 mechanism. >> >> Zzh3> Jeffrey >> >> >> >> *From:* Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@futurewei.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2021 11:45 AM >> *To:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) >> Zhang <zzhang=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - >> CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>; Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>; >> pim@ietf.org; 'Toerless Eckert' <tte@cs.fau.de> >> *Subject:* Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for >> draft-chen-pim-srv6-p2mp-path-01 >> >> >> >> *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* >> >> >> >> Hi Jeffrey, >> >> >> >> Thanks for your further comments. >> >> My responses are inline below with prefix [HC3]. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Huaimo >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net> >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 24, 2021 11:26 PM >> *To:* Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@futurewei.com>; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang < >> zzhang=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - >> CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>; Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>; >> pim@ietf.org <pim@ietf.org>; 'Toerless Eckert' <tte@cs.fau.de> >> *Subject:* RE: [pim] pim wg adoption call for >> draft-chen-pim-srv6-p2mp-path-01 >> >> >> >> Hi Huaimo, >> >> >> >> Please see zzh2> below. I trimmed some text. >> >> >> >> >> >> Zzh> Plus the uSID-Block-ID, for each SRv6 SID that is needed? More below. >> >> [HC2]: The size of compressed SID (u bits) is the average size of >> >> a compressed SID. If compressing method uses uSID-Block-ID, it is >> considered >> >> in the average size. There are a few of methods for compressing SIDs. >> >> They may have different compression rates. >> >> >> >> Zzh2> Before WG adoption, the draft needs to have details spelled out >> with one of the compression methods. I donāt think it scales even w/ >> compression, but itās a non-starter at all w/o compression. >> >> [HC3]: The details about one compression method is posted in one of my >> >> previous responses. >> >> I believe that it is scalable with compression. The details in the >> example >> >> of one compression method illustrated, on average, one link on a multicast >> >> tree uses 32 bits. This can be improved to 20 bits per link. >> >> It can be a starter without compression in the following way. >> >> For a P2MP/multicast path/tree, the tree can be "split" into multiple >> sub-trees >> >> such that each of the sub-trees can be encoded in the segment list of the >> >> finite size. >> >> >> >> Suppose that the size of SI and BitString are s and b bits respectively, >> and >> >> the maximum number of possible BitPositions is M bits, the overhead of >> BIER-TE >> >> is M bits if a maximum BitString is used, >> >> (in this case, M may greater than N*u. For example, when M = 10k, u = 40, >> >> M > N*u for N < 10k/40) >> >> up to N*(s+b) if bit sets are used. >> >> (in this case, N*(s+b) may greater than N*u. For example, when b = 64, s >> = 10, >> >> u = 40, N*(s+b) > N*u ) >> >> >> >> zzh> Do you mean āM = 10, 000ā? >> >> [HC2]: This is an example value for M. For a network with 10k links, >> there are 20k bitpositions. >> >> On average, the maximum bitposition is around 10k. >> >> >> >> zzh> The overhead consideration should be on a per-packet base. How much >> of a sub-tree can you encode in **one** packet with a header of a >> certain size? Your calculation does not seem be for that (and I have >> trouble following it). >> >> [HC2]: With overhead M bits in a packet, M/u links can be encoded. >> >> >> >> Zzh2> I assume you wonāt have 10k bits in a packet for encoding the >> (sub-)tree, right? So the key is how many bits in one packet you can use >> for encoding the (sub-)tree, and how many leaf/replication nodes you can >> fit in. >> >> [HC3]: This is for the case where the overhead in a BIER-TE packet is 10k >> bits >> >> when one BitString without any set is used. For the same overhead, how >> many links >> >> can be encoded. >> >> >> >> Zzh> Additionally, the text seems to assume/imply that there is a >> continuous block of uSIDs. But with 40-bit uSIDs, you can only put two >> uSIDs in an SRv6 SID? How large would the segment list be if you want to >> encode a reasonably sized sub-tree? >> >> [HC2]: "assume" is used to name a variable such as "assume" that >> >> the size of compressed SID is u bits. Here u is a variable for the >> >> the size of compressed SID on average. Some example values for the >> >> variables are given. There seems no imply. >> >> There are a few of methods for compressing SIDs. The method using uSIDs >> >> is one of them. The size of the segment list for a sub-tree is u*N bits, >> >> where N is the number of links on the sub-tree. >> >> >> >> Zzh2> How about putting some uSID details in the draft as I mentioned in >> the other email? >> >> [HC3]: We will add some details in the draft. >> >> >> 3. If this did not involve new forwarding scheme (i.e. new hardware) one >> could argue that multiple solutions could be developed. But given that this >> does need new hardware and does not do better than alternatives (e.g. >> BIER-TE), why bother. >> >> [HC]: It seems that both SR-P2MP and BIER-TE are involved with new >> forwarding schemes. >> >> Zzh2> SR-P2MP with MPLS does NOT involve new forwarding scheme at all. >> Itās the same as existing mLDP/RSVP-TE P2MP in the forwarding plane. For >> SRv6 replication segment, itās also ālikeā existing MPLS P2MP in that part >> of the IPv6 address is used as lookup key just like a label (and that is >> not different from the SRv6 VPN). >> >> [HC3]: It should be a new forwarding scheme for SRv6 replication segment. >> >> Under the network programming, replication SID is a new type of SID. >> >> It will have a new program/procedure for the behavior of this new SID >> >> even though it is ālikeā existing MPLS P2MP. >> >> Zzh2> The scheme in draft-chen is so much different - it encodes a >> sub-tree and forwarding is certainly more complicated. If it does scale >> well, then it is worth it even as a new forwarding scheme, but that has >> not been concluded. >> >> [HC3]: Under the network programming, the behavior of the forwarding >> >> is a new program/procedure, which uses existing encap with the SIDs of a >> >> sub-tree. It seems not that complicated. >> >> Zzh2> BIER-TE is a new forwarding scheme, but it is by far the best >> per-tunnel TE solution for multicast that does not have per-tunnel state >> inside the network, and it went through due scrutiny. Draft-chen needs to >> be scrutinized as well, and it needs to show that it does better to proceed >> as yet another new forwarding scheme. >> >> [HC3]: Whether it is the best depends on a number of factors, some of >> them >> >> are explained in previous responses. >> >> Zzh2> Jeffrey >> >> Zzh> Because of new forwarding schemes, BIER went through the process of >> forming a new WG, and BIER-TE was originally on the experimental track. >> More importantly, my earlier point is that the new scheme should scale >> better (at least as well) for it to be worthy. >> >> [HC2]: The new forwarding scheme (or say forwarding behavior) in our >> draft >> >> can be defined in a small program/procedure in the network programming. >> This >> >> is very different from that in BIER, where a new WG is formed. >> >> We will update the draft to address your concerns and make it clearer. >> >> Your earlier point is responded in my previous response. >> >> >> >> Zzh> Jeffrey >> >> >> >> Juniper Business Use Only >> >> >> >> Juniper Business Use Only >> >> >> >> Juniper Business Use Only >> >> >> >> Juniper Business Use Only >> >> >> >> Juniper Business Use Only >> >> >> >> Juniper Business Use Only >> >> >> >> Juniper Business Use Only >> >> Juniper Business Use Only >> _______________________________________________ >> pim mailing list >> pim@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pim >> > -- > > <http://www.verizon.com/> > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions A**rchitect * > > > > *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD > > -- <http://www.verizon.com/> *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD
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- Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pimā¦ Greg Shepherd
- Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pimā¦ Huaimo Chen
- Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pimā¦ Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pimā¦ Huaimo Chen
- Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pimā¦ Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pimā¦ Gyan Mishra
- Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pimā¦ Gyan Mishra
- Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pimā¦ Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pimā¦ Stig Venaas
- Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pimā¦ Gyan Mishra
- Re: [pim] pim wg adoption call for draft-chen-pimā¦ Huaimo Chen