[pkix] SCEP
Stephen Kent <kent@bbn.com> Tue, 14 October 2014 14:09 UTC
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Subject: [pkix] SCEP
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Erik, Cisco developed and promoted SCEP without submitting it to the IETF, to compete with the cert management protocols that other vendors were developing. This end run of IETF process was not well received. I had first hand knowledge of how Cisco pushed SCEP because I served as CT for CyberTrust, a Web PKI CA, during this time. Several later Cisco staff approached the IETF asking that SCEP be published as an RFC. They agreed that it could be labelled Historic. (It did not offer alg agility, a feature that we required of all security protocols by that time.) We were told that Cisco just wanted a stable reference for it, nothing more, and that they agreed it should be replaced with a more modern protocol. So, Tim Polk and I re-wrote the seriously-flawed I-D that they had been repeatedly published (to keep it alive) as an individual submission. We got very close to a reasonable version that could be published as Historic. Then, during lunch at an IETF meeting, a different Cisco staff member showed up to discuss the status of SCEP. At this lunch meeting he noted that the reason Cisco wanted an RFC number for SCEP (irrespective of the status) was to be able to cite it in a submission to 3GPP! Apparently, this staff member had not been instructed to lie about their real intent. That ended the discussion of SCEP as an RFC. Subsequently, another Cisco staff member came forward wanting to pursue a replacement for SCEP, with up-to-date features and and a broader focus. This proposal went through numerous revisions and received input from several sources. It became EST and it was issued as an RFC from PKIX. Steve
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- Re: [pkix] Simple Certificate Enrollment Protocol… Miller, Timothy J.
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- Re: [pkix] Simple Certificate Enrollment Protocol… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [pkix] Simple Certificate Enrollment Protocol… Sill, Alan
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