Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements
Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Fri, 07 April 2017 20:51 UTC
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From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
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Subject: Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements
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Rob: You are absolutely correct! Thanks for posting the correction. Russ > On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:54 AM, Rob Stradling <rob.stradling@comodo.com> wrote: > > Russ, RFC5280 includes all of the following: > > ub-organization-name INTEGER ::= 64 > ub-organizational-unit-name INTEGER ::= 64 > ub-organization-name-length INTEGER ::= 64 > ub-organizational-unit-name-length INTEGER ::= 32 > > The *-name upper bounds apply to X.500 DNs, whereas IINM the *-name-length upper bounds apply to the x400Address GeneralName type. > > On 06/04/17 20:24, Russ Housley wrote: >> The comment in the UpperBounds ASN.1 module (the 8th edition) says: >> >> -- EXPORTS All >> -- The types and values defined in this module are exported for use in the other ASN.1 >> -- modules contained within these Directory Specifications, and for the use of other >> -- applications which will use them to access Directory services. Other applications >> -- may use them for their own purposes, but this will not constrain extensions and >> -- modifications needed to maintain or improve the Directory service. >> >> X.509 is part of the Directory Specifications, so they are not advisory. >> >> It looks like ITU-T increased the length of the organizational unit name in the most recent edition. >> >> RFC 5280 says: >> >> ub-organization-name-length INTEGER ::= 64 >> ub-organizational-unit-name-length INTEGER ::= 32 >> >> The UpperBounds ASN.1 module (the 8th edition) says: >> >> ub-organization-name INTEGER ::= 64 >> ub-organizational-unit-name INTEGER ::= 64 >> >> So, we may already be in a place where implementations conforming to X.509 will produce a certificate that cannot be decoded by an implementation that conforms to RFC 5280. >> >> I wish we gad gotten a heads-up … >> >> Russ >> >> >> >>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Ben Wilson <ben.wilson@digicert.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, Michael. Is it relevant that Annex C to X.520 (2012) states, >>> "(This annex does not form an integral part of this Recommendation | >>> International Standard.)" whereas before (1988) it stated, "This Annex is >>> part of the Recommendation."? >>> >>> From: pkix [mailto:pkix-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Michael StJohns >>> Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 10:55 AM >>> To: pkix@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements >>> >>> Hi Ben - >>> >>> IETF 5280 et al are profiles of the X.509 documents. The upper length >>> bounds for orgnaizationName and commonName fields in 5280 is no different >>> than the upper bounds specified in X.509 (at least as of the 2014 >>> document). I would suggest that you will pretty much break any and all >>> implementations of X.509 clients that rely or enforce this limit as well as >>> any code that generates certificate requests. >>> >>> I will note that overloading text fields with structured data is generally >>> not a good idea - as you've found. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/6/2017 12:24 PM, Ben Wilson wrote: >>> Does anyone want to comment on my draft amendment to the CA/Browser Forums >>> Baseline Requirements for SSL/TLS Certificates which would remove the >>> 64-character limit on the commonName and organizationName, as an exception >>> to RFC 5280? The text of the relevant Baseline Requirement provision is >>> found below with the proposed additional language in ALL CAPS. The reason >>> for the first change (commonName) is there are FQDNs (in Subject Alternative >>> Names) that are longer than 64 characters. The reason for the second change >>> (organizationName) is that there are organizations with names longer than 64 >>> characters. >>> >>> 7.1.4.2.2. Subject Distinguished Name Fields >>> a. Certificate Field: subject:commonName (OID 2.5.4.3) >>> Required/Optional: Deprecated (Discouraged, but not prohibited) >>> Contents: If present, this field MUST contain a single IP address or >>> Fully-Qualified Domain Name that is one of the values contained in the >>> Certificates subjectAltName extension (see Section 7.1.4.2.1). >>> MAXIMUM LENGTH: NO STIPULATION. (THIS IS AN EXCEPTION TO RFC 5280 WHICH >>> SPECIFIES AN UPPER BOUND OF 64 CHARACTERS.) >>> b. Certificate Field: subject:organizationName (OID 2.5.4.10) >>> Optional. >>> Contents: If present, the subject:organizationName field MUST contain either >>> the Subjects name or DBA as verified under Section 3.2.2.2. The CA may >>> include information in this field that differs slightly from the verified >>> name, such as common variations or abbreviations, provided that the CA >>> documents the difference and any abbreviations used are locally accepted >>> abbreviations; e.g., if the official record shows Company Name >>> Incorporated, the CA MAY use Company Name Inc. or Company Name. >>> Because Subject name attributes for individuals (e.g. givenName (2.5.4.42) >>> and surname (2.5.4.4)) are not broadly supported by application software, >>> the CA MAY use the subject:organizationName field to convey a natural person >>> Subjects name or DBA. >>> MAXIMUM LENGTH: 256 CHARACTERS (THIS IS AN EXCEPTION TO RFC 5280 WHICH >>> SPECIFIES AN UPPER BOUND OF 64 CHARACTERS.) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ben Wilson > > -- > Rob Stradling > Senior Research & Development Scientist > COMODO - Creating Trust Online >
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Russ Housley
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Russ Housley
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Russ Housley
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Erik Andersen
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Erik Andersen
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Carl Wallace
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Jeremy Rowley
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Jim Schaad
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Sill, Alan
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Carl Wallace
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Erik Andersen
- [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Ben Wilson
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Carl Wallace
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Jeremy Rowley
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Michael StJohns
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Carl Wallace
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Ben Wilson
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Russ Housley
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Peter Bowen
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Erwann Abalea
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Erik Andersen
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirement… Martin Rex
- Re: [pkix] Amendment to CABF Baseline Requirements Michael StJohns