Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extension syntax
Rob Stradling <rob.stradling@comodo.com> Wed, 18 March 2015 09:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extension syntax
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On 18/03/15 07:10, Peter Gutmann wrote: > Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> writes: > >> it's what's in the document until someone can either point to some normative >> specification that it violates or can point to something that actually would >> break. > > This isn't a case of standards rules-lawyering though (in any case the PKIX > spec is flexible enough that you can stuff anything you want into a > certificate if you interpret things just right, see the famous MPEG-of-cat > quote), it's that this is creating a situation where an *X.509 standards- > compliant certificate* contains data that can't be processed by an *X.509 > standards-compliant certificate application*. Peter, are you saying that _all_ X.509 standards-compliant certificate applications MUST be able to process _all_ data in _all_ certificates? That would make it impossible to define any new certificate extensions in the future, because existing software cannot possibly already support extensions that haven't even been defined yet! -- Rob Stradling Senior Research & Development Scientist COMODO - Creating Trust Online
- [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extension sy… Stephen Kent
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Manger, James
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Melinda Shore
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Denis
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Stephen Kent
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Sean Leonard
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Sean Leonard
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Rob Stradling
- [pkix] update on ITU-T Public-key infrastructure:… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [pkix] update on ITU-T Public-key infrastruct… Erik Andersen
- Re: [pkix] update on ITU-T Public-key infrastruct… George Michaelson
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Massimiliano Pala
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Massimiliano Pala
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Paul Hoffman
- [pkix] Cryptographic Message Syntax Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Russ Housley
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Russ Housley
- Re: [pkix] Cryptographic Message Syntax Russ Housley
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Yoav Nir
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Sean Leonard
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Peter Yee
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Russ Housley
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Melinda Shore
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Santosh Chokhani
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Peter Yee
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Melinda Shore
- Re: [pkix] a question of cert (and OCSP) extensio… Eric Rescorla