Re: [pkix] Question about RFC 3125

Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Tue, 12 November 2019 22:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: [pkix] Question about RFC 3125
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Denis:

I understand the age of the document.  I notice that RFC 3126 was replaced by a newer version, but this one was not.

Russ


> On Nov 12, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Denis <denis.ietf@free.fr> wrote:
> 
> Hello Russ,
> 
> I wonder why you have an interest, today, in a document that was written ... 18 years ago.
> 
> FYI, ETSI TC ESI sent for a public review until the August 31, 2019 a document about signature policies:
> draft TS 119 172-2: Signature Policies; Part 2: XML format for signature policies, and
> draft TS 119 172-3: Signature Policies; Part 3: ASN.1 format for signature policies
> These documents are still downloadable from: http://docbox.etsi.org/ESI/Open/Latest_Drafts/ <http://docbox.etsi.org/ESI/Open/Latest_Drafts/>
> 
> More specifically from :
> https://docbox.etsi.org/ESI/Open/Latest_Drafts/ESI-0019172-2v003-public.pdf <https://docbox.etsi.org/ESI/Open/Latest_Drafts/ESI-0019172-2v003-public.pdf>
> and 
> https://docbox.etsi.org/ESI/Open/Latest_Drafts/ESI-0019172-3v003-public.pdf <https://docbox.etsi.org/ESI/Open/Latest_Drafts/ESI-0019172-3v003-public.pdf>
> 
> I prepared and sent 43 comments on Part 2 only, since IMO, it was not necessary anymore to define a signature policy using ASN.1.
> 
> Now, to answer your question, the intent in RFC 3125 was to have an OID, in order to have an unambiguous meaning, whatever the local language 
> of the signer and of the verifier would be.
> 
> Denis
> 
> 
>> Section 3.4 of RFC 3125 talks about Commitment Rules, and it specifies the following structure:
>> 
>>    CommitmentType ::= SEQUENCE {
>>         identifier                      CommitmentTypeIdentifier,
>>         fieldOfApplication      [0] FieldOfApplication OPTIONAL,
>>         semantics               [1] DirectoryString OPTIONAL }
>> 
>> However, CommitmentTypeIdentifier is never defined.  Is it an object identifier?
>> 
>> Can anyone point to a public signature policy that uses the SignaturePolicy defined in RFC 3125?
>> 
>> Russ
>> 
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