Re: Logotypes in certificates
"David P. Kemp" <dpkemp@missi.ncsc.mil> Fri, 23 March 2001 17:49 UTC
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"Manger, James H" wrote: > > An entity does not have to have a unique logo. To be useful, > it is sufficient that the logo unambiguously identifies > an entity (within the context of use). > ... and > > Images (e.g. logos) are a widely used form of identification (and for good > reason, as they are very human-friendly (ease to use)). I suggest PKIX > should change to support logos, rather than trying to changes our five > senses. A correlary of the first statement is: If the logo does not unambiguously identify an entity within the context of use, then it is not useful. I predict that Stefan will find it impossible to propose a criterion against which it can be determined that a CA is operating correctly, i.e. that the CA will certify a logo that identifies the entity, and that it will not certify a logo that mis-identifies the entity. If no one can propose a method by which a CA should decide not to certify a logo "similar to" the Chevrolet bowtie or the AT&T deathstar for someone other than Chevrolet or AT&T respectively, then it is obvious that changing PKIX to support logos has *NO* value to the user. I submit that it has negative value; a misleading logo in a certificate is worse than none at all. (I concede that a logo capability has marketing value to CAs and entertainment value to us geeks. But PKIX shouldn't be about satisfying those urges at the expense of the user.)
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- Re: Logotypes in certificates Anders Rundgren
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- Re: Logotypes in certificates Rich Salz
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- Re: Logotypes in certificates Eric Murray
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- RE: Logotypes in certificates Michael Myers
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Stefan Santesson
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Stephen Kent
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Andrew Hoag
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Dean Povey
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Dean Povey
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Tim Moses
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- RE: Logotypes in certificates Stefan Santesson
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Stephen Kent
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Stefan Santesson
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Dean Povey
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Stephen Kent
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Ambarish Malpani
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Tom Gindin
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Michael Zolotarev
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Terry Hayes
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Peter Gutmann
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Hal Lockhart
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Stephen Kent
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Stephen Kent
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Stephen Kent
- RE: Logotypes in certificates David Cross
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Stefan Santesson
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Michael Zolotarev
- RE: Logotypes in certificates todd.glassey
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Trevor Freeman
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Russ Housley
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Dean Povey
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Michael Zolotarev
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Manger, James H
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Stephen Kent
- Re: Logotypes in certificates David P. Kemp
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Michael Ströder
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Dean Povey
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Michael Ströder
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Dean Povey
- Re: Logotypes in certificates Michael Ströder
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- RE: Logotypes in certificates todd.glassey
- RE: Logotypes in certificates Stephen Kent
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