[pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8789)
Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com> Tue, 03 March 2026 19:33 UTC
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From: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>
To: Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>, "pkix@ietf.org" <pkix@ietf.org>
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Subject: [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8789)
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I think it should be rejected as well. I actually have lots of strong feelings on this issue, but the original text is not wrong. -Tim ________________________________ From: Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2026 12:29 PM To: pkix@ietf.org <pkix@ietf.org> Subject: [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8789) What Sean said. I'd actually be inclined to reject the errata as a) it is in a comment, and b) the fact that people are using this for non-WWW stuff does not change the behavior for WWW stuff. Mike On 3/3/2026 11:47, Sean Turner wrote: > If we want to remove the “WWW” from the comment sure, but please mark this as “Editorial" as the suggested changes are in an ASN.1 comment ;) > > spt > >> On Feb 27, 2026, at 21:23, Paul Hoffman <phoffman@proper.com> wrote: >> >> This errata report is correct and should be marked as "hold for document update". >> >> --Paul Hoffman >> >> On 27 Feb 2026, at 17:28, RFC Errata System wrote: >> >>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5280, >>> "Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate and Certificate Revocation List (CRL) Profile". >>> >>> -------------------------------------- >>> You may review the report below and at: >>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid8789 >>> >>> -------------------------------------- >>> Type: Technical >>> Reported by: Elizabeth Peraza Slator <elizabethpslator@gmail.com> >>> >>> Section: GLOBAL >>> >>> Original Text >>> ------------- >>> Section 4.2.1.12 says: >>> >>> id-kp-serverAuth OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { id-kp 1 } >>> -- TLS WWW server authentication >>> -- Key usage bits that may be consistent: digitalSignature, >>> -- keyEncipherment or keyAgreement >>> >>> id-kp-clientAuth OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { id-kp 2 } >>> -- TLS WWW client authentication >>> -- Key usage bits that may be consistent: digitalSignature >>> -- and/or keyAgreement >>> It should say: >>> >>> id-kp-serverAuth OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { id-kp 1 } >>> -- TLS server authentication >>> -- Key usage bits that may be consistent: digitalSignature, >>> -- keyEncipherment or keyAgreement >>> >>> id-kp-clientAuth OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { id-kp 2 } >>> -- TLS client authentication >>> -- Key usage bits that may be consistent: digitalSignature >>> -- and/or keyAgreement >>> Notes: >>> >>> The proposed change removes the WWW part of the description. In practice these object identifiers are used for server and client applications, but not necessarily web applications. In particular: >>> - openssl verification considers them unconditionally even if the server is not a web server or the client a web client >>> - There is no object identifier that can be used for protocols like SMTP, IMAP, POP3, LDAP, radius, ...; in practice all these protocols are deployed with the identifiers for WWW >>> - Standards like common criteria assume that these object identifiers are for generic server and clients [0]. >>> >>> [0]. https://www.niap-ccevs.org/MMO/PP/-442-/#FCS_TLSC_EXT.1.1 >>> >>> Report New Errata >>> >>> Corrected Text >>> -------------- >>> Section 4.2.1.12 says: >>> >>> id-kp-serverAuth OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { id-kp 1 } >>> -- TLS WWW server authentication >>> -- Key usage bits that may be consistent: digitalSignature, >>> -- keyEncipherment or keyAgreement >>> >>> id-kp-clientAuth OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { id-kp 2 } >>> -- TLS WWW client authentication >>> -- Key usage bits that may be consistent: digitalSignature >>> -- and/or keyAgreement >>> It should say: >>> >>> id-kp-serverAuth OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { id-kp 1 } >>> -- TLS server authentication >>> -- Key usage bits that may be consistent: digitalSignature, >>> -- keyEncipherment or keyAgreement >>> >>> id-kp-clientAuth OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { id-kp 2 } >>> -- TLS client authentication >>> -- Key usage bits that may be consistent: digitalSignature >>> -- and/or keyAgreement >>> Notes: >>> >>> The proposed change removes the WWW part of the description. In practice these object identifiers are used for server and client applications, but not necessarily web applications. In particular: >>> - openssl verification considers them unconditionally even if the server is not a web server or the client a web client >>> - There is no object identifier that can be used for protocols like SMTP, IMAP, POP3, LDAP, radius, ...; in practice all these protocols are deployed with the identifiers for WWW >>> - Standards like common criteria assume that these object identifiers are for generic server and clients [0]. >>> >>> [0]. https://www.niap-ccevs.org/MMO/PP/-442-/#FCS_TLSC_EXT.1.1 >>> >>> Report New Errata >>> >>> Notes >>> ----- >>> Thank you very much >>> >>> Instructions: >>> ------------- >>> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". (If it is spam, it >>> will be removed shortly by the RFC Production Center.) Please >>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or >>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party >>> will log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. >>> >>> -------------------------------------- >>> RFC5280 (draft-ietf-pkix-rfc3280bis-11) >>> -------------------------------------- >>> Title : Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate and Certificate Revocation List (CRL) Profile >>> Publication Date : May 2008 >>> Author(s) : D. Cooper, S. Santesson, S. Farrell, S. Boeyen, R. Housley, W. Polk >>> Category : PROPOSED STANDARD >>> Source : Public-Key Infrastructure (X.509) >>> Stream : IETF >>> Verifying Party : IESG >> _______________________________________________ >> pkix mailing list -- pkix@ietf.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to pkix-leave@ietf.org > _______________________________________________ > pkix mailing list -- pkix@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to pkix-leave@ietf.org _______________________________________________ pkix mailing list -- pkix@ietf.org To unsubscribe send an email to pkix-leave@ietf.org
- [pkix] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8789) RFC Errata System
- [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8… Paul Hoffman
- [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8… Sean Turner
- [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8… Michael StJohns
- [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8… Tim Hollebeek
- [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8… Paul Hoffman
- [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8… Tim Hollebeek
- [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8… Paul Hoffman
- [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8… Deb Cooley
- [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8… StJohns, Michael
- [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8… Deb Cooley
- [pkix] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5280 (8… Paul Wouters