Re: Transition
Marshall Rose <mrose@dbc.mtview.ca.us> Thu, 12 November 1992 04:32 UTC
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To: Dennis Perry <perry@mcl.unisys.com>
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Subject: Re: Transition
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:46:33 EST." <9211111046.AA24352@kauai.MCL.Unisys.COM>
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From: Marshall Rose <mrose@dbc.mtview.ca.us>
> The IETF was/is a task force of the > IAB and has grown up under the IAB governance. What I see is an > anarchy has arisen in the ranks of the IETF task forces based on > the arogance of success and now wishes to cast off the parent which > tries to constrain it. In fact, the constraint, in my view, should be > even stronger in terms of procss control. I see very little engineering > process evident in the task forces, at least on the lists that I read. There is some "arogance" (sic) here, but there is plenty to go around. You need only look at the rather insulting "aloof review" model being praised by one IAB member to get to sense of what I'm talking about. There are certainly quality control problems that we must deal with. History has shown that this is most effectively done at the working group level with "senior" people contributing with an equal voice. These people often get their way, not because of the titles bestowed on them for past services, but because they make cogent arguments in terms of the architectural and engineering decisions they favor. It is fascinating to observe that as the Internet suite of protocols has become more successful, the majority of the IAB membership have gone into a making-pronouncements-without-really-participating mode. Perhaps this worked for Howard Hughes in his decline. (The imagery here is amusing, eh?) Regardless, such tactics aren't working in today's Internet community. And this is precisely why I favor the Crocker/Malamud draft: because it separates process review from technology review. Perhaps it is time for the ranks of the "aloof review" club to get some dirt back under their fingernails. Perhaps it is time that they rejoin the community. /mtr
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