Re: Transition

[Einar Stefferud <[e-mail]>]

Hi Steve and all -- I just want to make one point.

> Let me reiterate that to me your message shifts ground from the
> original POISED concern to an entirely new issue.  There's nothing
> wrong with the new question, but it's obligatory that we come to
> closure on the first question, viz how we're to be organized and
> select our leaders.  I don't mind handling two questions in parallel,
> but we can't let the first question remain unresolved.

I did not make the ground shift.  Your draft proposal did it.  

In answering the original POISED question, your answer came out:

  "Lets collapse the stack and put it all directly under the ISOC".

 ... and so...  your proposed rearrangement now requires an answer to
the great question of whether or not the IETF accepts to be governed
by the ISOC.  I am afraid it all comes in a single package.  WE must
deal with them both in parallel.

If we reject your draft proposal, the issue is moot till we see the
next proposal.

If we adopt your draft proposal, what alternative do we have to full
ISOC governance of the new IETF, without any way left to withhold
concurrence.  

Our only choices then are ALL or NOTHING.  Without an understanding
about ISOC governance of the IETF, we can only reject your draft
proposal, until it deals with the ISOC governance issues.

I believe that if we buy into your draft proposal first, as you
suggest, it carries an implicit pig-in-a-poke buy-in for the new
structure to be fully subordinate to ISOC governance, without serious
discussion of the implications of accepting full ISOC governance.

I am only calling attention to the fact that you have put the issue on
the table (perhaps without knowing it), and I claim that it requires
very serious attention, in the context of your draft proposal.

I am glad to see happening what you and Carl and Craig say is
happening with regard to ISOC attendance and presentations on
Nomination Plans.  But, these are only window dressing if the "IETF
buy-in" question is not understood to be a root issue.  The ISOC
presentations might just be a spoonful of sugar to help make the
medicine go down.

I suggest that it be organized to deal with the issue straight up.

Cheers...\Stef