Re: ISOC Trustees - Articles 4, 5, and 6
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Subject: Re: ISOC Trustees - Articles 4, 5, and 6
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Thanks Vint, section 4, Restrictions on earnings distribution and lobbying section 5, Terms of disolution or liquidation section 6, Amendment of the charter, by 4/5ths affirmative vote of Trustees, except affecting sections 4, 5, and 6, by unanimous consent Several things puzzle me, I'll take them in the order which seems most important to me, that is, in reverse order: 6A Requiring a 4/5ths vote of a body to amend it's own enabling legislation seems awfully draconian, in effect, it means that no fundamental policy change is possible if a 21% hold-out group (or aggregate of groups) exists. This means that this body is going to be _very_ stable over time in its overall scope and policy. 6B Requiring a unanimous consent to amend these sections, especially section 6, seems even more unable to accomidate change. When I first learned of this language, I asked myself, "What are the potential membership-initiated inititives for change which _must_ be made subject to the stay by one wiser voice?" Its been several weeks, and I still come up empty on that one, except in the area I'd least hoped to find -- amendment to the amendment process. Alterations in how revenues are spent or a change in the Hatch Act(1) language in #4? It isn't likely that even a bare majority would seek to benefit or pay unreasonable compensation to any person, so is it in the Hatch Act-like limits to non-substantial activities, or the participation in or intervention in political campaigns for public office? I don't understand the first of these, since I don't see much point in an ISoc-as-generally-described which dosen't pay great attention to enabling legislation in the various PTT-equivalent zones of the world, whether law or agency regulation, and I don't know what propaganda is, aside from someone extolling the virtues of OSI, or listening to Radia Havana. The last clause of section 4 seems clear enough, though I would have stuck in a specific exception for potential candidates to public office who advocated exceptionally backward or foresighted legislation w.r.t. policy concerning networks. Turning to section 5, liquidation for a "wise man" hold-out issue, I again just don't find a smoking gun. Maybe I'm just ignorant. So, the last place to find a compelling motivation for unanimity of the Trustees is back in section 6 itself as far as I can see, which means that in effect, it is the modification of this clause, or the 4/5ths clause, which are to be protected from unwise membership-initiated amendment. Vint has asked that we (the POISED list) take a moment to think about the long-term health of the Internet and the ISoc. I've taken that moment to ask "what is sought by, and what are the probable consequences" of two phrases in the ISoc charter. Earlier I took more than a moment to read and comment on the I-D, with the exception of the proposed PB role in both the "fair hearings" and external liason, without effect. Earlier still I voiced my disapointment that for weeks this area of work is almost exclusively about who waggles whom, a thrilling topic for some I am sure. It is no secret that I think far too much of the "internet agenda" is set by for- profits, frequently with little obvious enlightened self-interest, and by agencies subject to unrealistic, too facile notions of "policy" or their own role in developing technology or engineering its use. I _really_ don't think that it is helpful to characterize anyone's desire that the ISoc trustees or spokesperson finally "bell the cat", and explain to the non-POISED IETF the new realities as seeking a moment of drama. How sad that so important an issue has an "author of compromise" (the I-D) who actually thinks in such terms. Personally I've had enough. I'm careful about the organizations I spend my working time in or make significant donations of time or concern to. Some rationalization has to be present or it just isn't worth it. My event horizon for when constructive work may be done, and I personally don't consider locating the IETF in any constellation of hierarchies to be very constructive, is apparently too small or limited. Eric Notes: 1. The Hatch Act is a US Federal law restricting political lobbying by Civil Service employees.
- ISOC Trustees Craig Partridge
- Re: ISOC Trustees Bob Stewart
- Re: ISOC Trustees practic!brunner@uunet.uu.net
- Re: ISOC Trustees Vinton G. Cerf
- Re: ISOC Trustees Vinton G. Cerf
- Re: ISOC Trustees - Articles 4, 5, and 6 practic!brunner@uunet.uu.net