Comments from David Brandin

["Vinton G. Cerf" <[e-mail]>]

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Date: 25 Nov 1992 11:26:28 -0800
From: David Brandin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Q
To: "Vinton G. Cerf" <[e-mail]>

        Reply to:   Q
MY ACM Political hat follows, set off by ASTERISKS . . . IN GENERAL, I FIND IT
PRETTY WANTING. IT IS TRYING TO LEGISLATE AN EXTREMELY POLITICAL PROCESS
WITHOUT ANY ATTENTION TO DETAIL OR RIGHTS AND PLACES STAFF IN DANGEROUS
POSITIONS.

IT STRIKES  ME THAT THESE BYLAWS HAVEN'T RECEIVED MUCH ATTENTION.

Dave Brandin

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Date: 11/25/92 3:29
To: David Brandin
From: Vinton G. Cerf
There is a typo (SECTION should be SELECTION) and some details
still need to be worked. Your comments would be much appreciated
(in advance of the Trustees' meeting December 10). This is a
compromise among many parties, some of whom expressed the feeling
that the IETF participants were largely disenfranchised in the
selection of their leadership. As you can see, ISOC is much
involved in the process.


Vint


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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 18:18:18 EST
From: Carl Malamud <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Selection Process 

At the IETF plenary last Thursday evening, Marshall Rose presented a
plan to introduce accountability and selection into the IAB/IESG
management structure.  Below is the mechanism he proposed.

Although Marshall was the presenter of this material, he is not
the author.  About a half-dozen people contributed directly to this
proposal, and their contributions were based on discussions on the
poised list and in the poised meeting earlier in the week.  There was
wide-spread consensus on the overall principles of the plan.  This
message fills in the details and translates the bullets on the slides
into English.

Lyman presented the other half of the proposal and will be posting that
information for your information.  

Carl


			 P R O P O S A L  F O R
	  A C C O U N T A B I L I T Y   A N D   S E C T I O N


1. TWO-YEAR TERMS

Members of the IAB and IESG will serve two-year terms.  The terms are
staggered so approximately half of each body is selected each year.
There are no term limits.***THERE SHOULD ALWAYS BE TERM LIMITS OR YOU GET
ENTRENCHED AFIPS-LIKE LEADERSHIP. I RECOMMEND 3 TERMS.***


2. NOMINATING COMMITTEE

Selection shall be by a nominating committee.  The nominating committee
is formed for a particular round of selections and then disbands.  This
is not a standing committee. ***THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONTINUITY SO THAT EACH
COMMITTEE HAS SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST.

2.1 The nomination committee is composed of seven members selected by
lot from a list of volunteers who are willing to serve and have
attended two or more IETFs.  [Details on this procedure to follow.]

2.2 The chair of the nominating committee shall be the Executive
Director of the Internet Society.   The IAB and the IESG may each
appoint one non-voting liaison.  The chair and the liaisons are
non-voting positions. ***NO STAFF PERSON SHOULD CHAIR THIS COMMITTEE. HE WILL
BE SUBJECT TO ENDLESS CHARGES OF POLITICAL SKULDAGGERY!

2.3 The nominating committee is responsible for recruiting nominees who
are willing and able to serve.

2.4 The nominating committee may recommend a single name for a
position, or, if unable to reach consensus on a single name, multiple
names. ***THERE SHOULD ALWAYS BE AT LEAST 2 CANDIDATES FOR EVERY JOB. WHO NEEDS
A NOMINATING COMMITTEE TO MAKE DICTATORIAL DEFAULT DECISIONS ESPECIALLY IF IT'S
CHAIRED BY STAFF? OTHERWISE CALL IT AN APPOINTMENTS COMMITTEE.

2.5 Selection of names shall be for a specific slot (e.g., "IAB Member"
or "the Network Management Area Director of the IESG").  For purposes
of this process, the Chair of the IETF is considered to be a specific
slot.  The Chair of the IAB, however, is not a specific slot and that
position shall be selected by the IAB from among its members.


3. ADVISE AND CONSENT

The selections of the nominating committee are subject to advise and
consent.

3.1 Positions on the IAB are subject to the advise and consent of the
Internet Society trustees.  The trustees may select one of the names
presented to it or may reject all names. ***PROCESS OF SELECTION IS BY WHAT?
SECRET BALLOT? DRAW POKER?

3.2 Positions on the IESG or the Chair of the IETF are subject to the
advise and consent of the IAB.  The IAB may select one of the names
presented to it or may reject all names. ***SAME QUESTION

3.3 Selectees shall give a talk at an IETF plenary soon after their
selection.*** HUH? WHY? IS A SELECTEE A CANDIDATE? THEN COMPETING NOMINEES MUST
BE GIVEN EQUAL TIME ETC. IF A SELECTEE HAS BEEN SELECTED, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE
OF THIS IN BYLAWS?


4. OMBUDSMAN

The Internet Society shall appoint a standing ombudsman to resolve
conflicts.***THIS WHOLE SECTION IS A NIGHTMARE. NO OMBUDSMAN PROGRAM CAN WORK
WITHOUT MUCH MORE DETAIL ON PROCEDURES. HOW IS OMBUDSMAN "APPOINTED?"

4.1 If a member of the IETF feels that a member of the IESG, the Chair
of the IETF, or a member of the IAB is not carrying out his or her
duties, the member of the IETF may present the situation to the
Ombudsman. ***SHOULD REQUIRE AT LEAST A SECOND!

4.2 The Ombudsman shall attempt to resolve the situation within a
90-day period. ***BETTER GIVE THE OMBUDSMAN RESOURCES AND DEFINE "RESOLVE."

4.3 If the Ombudsman is unable to reach a resolution of the situation,
a recall committee shall be formed to consider the case.*** IS OMBUDSMAN
DECISION BINDING? THEN OMBUDSMAN MUST BE APPOINTED WITH ADVICE AND CONSENT ETC
AND, IN FACT, MORE THAN MAJORITY SINCE HE MIGHT HAVE GREATER THAN MAJORITY
RIGHTS IN RECALL

4.4 The recall committee is formed by lot from a list of volunteers
who are willing to serve and have attended 2 or more IETFs. ***THESE BECOME
EXTREMELY POWERFUL PEOPLE. THEY SHOULD NOT UNDER ANY CONDITIONS INCLUDE THE
PEOPLE THAT MADE THE CHARGES OR SECONDED THEM. THEY MUST ALSO BE SUBJECT TO
ADVICE AND CONSENT . . .

4.5 The chair of the committee shall be the Executive Director of the
Internet Society.  The IAB and the IESG may each appoint a liaison.
The chair and the liaisons are non-voting positions. ***AGAIN, KEEP STAFF OUT
OF THIS

4.6 The committee shall investigate the situation in a thorough manner
and examine all relevant facts. ***HOW ABOUT SOME GUARANTEED RIGHTS FOR THE
ACCUSED?

4.7 If the committee decides by a vote of 2/3 or more, a recall has
been decided upon. ***THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO VACANCY?

4.8 The committee shall disband when it is finished deciding the
specific situation it was formed to examine.  (This is not a standing
committee.)


5. TRANSITION

This procedure will begin January 1 with selections to be in place by
the 26th IETF.

5.1 The call for volunteers and selection of the nominating committee
shall be done before December 31.

5.2 The IESG will designate which positions shall be available for
selection.  These positions will include the Chair of the IETF.

5.3 The IAB will designate which positions shall be available for
selection.  These positions will include the slot currently filled by
the Chair of the IAB.

5.4 The nominating committee will finish its work so that selections
can be announced on March 1, 1993.

5.5 The new selectees will take office at the close of the 26th IETF.
			


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