Converging
John C Klensin <klensin@infoods.unu.edu> Fri, 03 June 1994 20:06 UTC
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From: John C Klensin <klensin@infoods.unu.edu>
Subject: Converging
Cc: Erik.Huizer@surfnet.nl
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I just sent a note asking to be added to the list, so this is partially in response to a copy of Marshall's "goal" note and partially because a "what is happening and why haven't I seen a new draft" flag is on my calendar for this weekend anyway, rather than based on first-hand knowledge of details. That said... --> If the spec is wrong, fix the spec, but do it quickly --> If there are real differences in opinion as to what things mean that cannot be resolved (and quickly), then we need to find a mechanism to get a consensus among existing implementations. Any protocol *changes* are either going to require extensive IETF review and approval (and I'll warn you, I use POP3 -- in several implementations of both clients and servers-- for *my* mail and am not prepared to be sympathetic to things that might mess up the installed base) or become part of POP4. If you want to propose POP4, do so, but, as Marshall says "leave the protocol alone" as far as POP3 is concerned. If the present process can't produce convergence in a hurry, I'll figure out something else. Theory and careful reading aside, the number of interoperable implementations that exist today make a strong pragmatic case that the spec is "good enough" under traditional IETF criteria. So, much as I strongly prefer that we have a spec that everyone can agree that they understand, and understand the same way, "something else" could rationally consist of voting the current draft out of IESG and encouraging you people to come to some agreement before it comes up for an advance in maturity level. I don't intend to have this as an open issue by the time the Toronto IETF rolls around and, given IESG cycles, that leaves about two weeks or less to get agreement on any planned changes. john
- Converging John C Klensin
- Re: Converging Steve Dorner
- Re: Converging Mark Crispin