Re: a different tack

William Allen Simpson <bill.simpson@um.cc.umich.edu> Wed, 15 June 1994 16:29 UTC

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Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:51:39 +0000
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From: William Allen Simpson <bill.simpson@um.cc.umich.edu>
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To: ietf-pop3@andrew.cmu.edu
Reply-to: bsimpson@morningstar.com
Subject: Re: a different tack

> From: Marshall Rose <mrose@dbc.mtview.ca.us>
>
> > You seem to be assuming that our purpose is to upgrade the
> > standardization status of the protocol.  It's not--our purpose is to
> > reach some sort of agreement about the loose ends that have been
> > identified as being tied and to make a revised document that reflects
> > the agreed-on changes.
> >
> > I think there are people who would legitimately object to POP3 going
> > to "Standard" were it not to address the problems that UIDL solves.
>
> I agree.  I think you should fix the draft, remove LAST, etc., add UIDL
> (if that's what people want), and then toss it back to the IESG.  It
> will certainly not go to full standard in any event.
>

Now, we have consensus that it SHOULDN'T go forward to Full.

So, with this clear focus, let's get to it!  When will the draft be out?

Could we change UIDL -> LMID "List Message IDentifiers", which is more
what we are doing?  (UID is already a widely used concept elsewhere in
protocoldom.)

Or, can I suggest real heresy and say "let's call it POP4, get a new
port, and make the responses look more like NNTP"?

Or is POP4 -> IMAP4?

Bill.Simpson@um.cc.umich.edu