Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: [tsvwg] [Fwd: Re: AD review: draft-ietf-tsvwg-port-randomization-05]

Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU> Fri, 05 February 2010 14:44 UTC

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Lars Eggert wrote:
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> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: tom.petch <cfinss@dial.pipex.com>
>> Date: February 5, 2010 10:28:44 GMT+02:00
>> To: Michelle Cotton <michelle.cotton@icann.org>rg>, "Eggert Lars (Nokia-NRC/Espoo)" <lars.eggert@nokia.com>
>> Cc: tsvwg <tsvwg@ietf.org>rg>, apps-discuss <apps-discuss@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [tsvwg] [Fwd: Re: AD review: draft-ietf-tsvwg-port-randomization-05]
>> Reply-To: tom.petch <cfinss@dial.pipex.com>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michelle Cotton" <michelle.cotton@icann.org>
>> To: "Fernando Gont" <fernando@gont.com.ar>ar>; "Lars Eggert"
>> <lars.eggert@nokia.com>
>> Cc: "tsvwg" <tsvwg@ietf.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:39 PM
>>
>>
>> Fernando/Lars,
>>
>> Following-up on the thread below.
>>
>> Port Number requests are rejected for many reasons.  Here are three of the most
>> common reasons:
>>
>> 1 - Duplicates a function or protocol already in existence
>> 2 - Is the secure version of a port already applied for or already in existence
>> 3 - Port applied for is of local use only and traffic does not flow over the
>> public Internet
>>
>> In general, a port number request is granted when an applicant can show a
>> well-defined, public Internet protocol.  The port must identify a named service
>> that allows sessions to be created over the public Internet.  The protocol, in a
>> successful application, will be sufficiently documented to ensure that it is not
>> local or a version of another service already in use.
>>
>> I hope this information helps.  Please let me know if there is anything I can
>> clarify.
>>
>> <tp>
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>> How straightforward and clear the above paragraphs are.  Honest.  Brilliant.
>>
>> I need to say this because recently I was critical of
>> draft-ietf-tsvwg-iana-ports-04
>> for the lack of just this information, for describing the bureaucracy of port
>> assignment/allocation/registration/reservation/request/grant........
>> without
>> a) explaining what if anything is the difference between these terms
>> b) describing what the point of the bureaucracy is.
>>
>> Your paragraphs above do more good than the whole of section 7, so please ditch
>> section 7, include something along the lines above, and place it right at the
>> front of the I-D, section 2.  I would place reasons for granting before reasons
>> for rejecting but otherwise I would change little.

The problem is that the two ideas (the list above, vs. Sec 7) have
completely different purposes.

Section 7 describe IANA policies and changes therein.

The above describes expert review, which is a separate matter.

I hesitate to encode expert review rules - even the "most common" ones -
because then can too easily change, and putting them in a doc promotes
them as static.

Joe