[port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version of document for review
Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> Thu, 28 October 2010 12:50 UTC
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Hi, I am clearing backlog i my TSVWG mail folder. I found these review comments. My question to the rest of the people. Has anyone addressed them? No one appears to have responded to it, which make me think we can have missed them. Cheers Magnus -------- Ursprungligt meddelande -------- Ämne: Re: [DNSOP] New version of document for review Datum: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 03:38:12 +0100 Från: Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us> Till: Michelle Cotton <michelle.cotton@icann.org> Kopia: dnsop@ietf.org <dnsop@ietf.org>rg>, tsvwg@ietf.org <tsvwg@ietf.org>rg>, apps-discuss@ietf.org <apps-discuss@ietf.org> On 01/15/10 08:16, Michelle Cotton wrote: > Attn: TSVWG Working Group, DNSOPS Working Group and APPS AREA Working Group > > There is a new version of the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) > Procedures for the Management > of the Transport Protocol Port Number and Service Name Registry document: > > draft-ietf-tsvwg-iana-ports-04.txt > > Please review and send comments. Your feedback is much appreciated. I'm writing to provide both review and support of this draft. Before I do however it's probably useful for me to make some explicit statements, some of the "should go without saying" variety and some to provide context for my comments. I was the General Manager of the IANA from late 2003 through mid 2005. In that capacity I was proud to manage Michelle as one of my employees. One of my responsibilities was to oversee the port number allocation process, including occasionally making the final decisions on these assignments myself. Other than her public messages regarding these drafts I have had no communication from Michelle or anyone else from ICANN regarding this topic. Other than this message today I've not communicated with them about it. (IOW, ETINC.) I also have experience with port numbers from the operating system implementer's perspective as part of a large group of people who have "commit privileges" to the FreeBSD code base. With all that out of the way, I would like to commend Michelle and the other authors on this much needed piece of work. It is clear, well written, and covers the topic very well. I know that I would very much like to have had such a clear set of guidelines to operate under while I was making these decisions. I do have some feedback, none of which I consider to be show-stopper issues. If the draft were to progress in its current condition I would be supportive. I also think it is important to move this draft forward sooner rather than later since it will allow us to start using, and encouraging the use of SRV in a much more meaningful way. I've attached a diff with some mostly minor edits. Most of them are simple English language nits such as: 1. Comma reduction (a topic which I'm very sensitive to since it's one of my major faults when writing) 2. Capitalizing the first letter of bullet points I've also included some textual changes which I hope improve and/or clarify the text. In all cases the authors are free to adopt or deny my suggestions as they see fit. More substantive issues, in more or less increasing order of importance. * In Section 3 I think the readability would improve by switching the first and second paragraphs. * In Section 7.2, paragraph 7, I think the change to "IANA converting the reservation" makes the desired outcome (that designers not use the port without IANA authorizing the change) more clear. * In Section 8.1 (and/or perhaps elsewhere?) I think it would be useful to suggest (perhaps at the SHOULD level?) that when appropriate the administrative contact e-mail address should be a role account, and the problem this is designed to mitigate (individuals sometimes leave the company/organization that is responsible for the assignment resulting in a dead e-mail address). * In Section 6 (and elsewhere) there does not appear to be a normative reference for the division of port numbers into the Well Known, Registered, and Dynamic categories. * Section 7.2 mentions several suggestions to designers for reducing the number of port numbers that they need for an application. I think it would be useful to add 2 explicit suggestions to that list, one is the idea of a "master" application with one Registered port number that can coordinate communications between the various components of more complicated applications without requiring each element of the application to have its own assigned port number. The other suggestion I think should be made explicitly in the document is the use of multicast DNS to avoid port number assignments altogether. My final area of concern is the idea people have that without an assigned port number from IANA that no firewall administrators will allow their traffic. You mention this issue briefly in 7.2, and in Section 9 (Security Considerations) you include the text that I wrote in number 2 of "PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING" on the http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers page, both of which I think are good things to include. However I believe that it would be useful to have the whole concept described in more detail in 7.2. In my communication with port number applicants this issue came up over and over again, and was either the primary or sole consideration in filing the application in the first place; resulting in more than one otherwise-spurious application. I won't quibble if my opinion on the importance of this topic isn't shared by others, but I felt it was important to mention it. I hope that these comments are helpful, and I apologize for not offering them sooner. Best regards, Doug
- [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version of do… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Lars Eggert
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Joe Touch
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Joe Touch
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Lars Eggert
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Joe Touch
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Lars Eggert
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Michelle Cotton
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Michelle Cotton
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Lars Eggert
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Michelle Cotton
- [port-srv-reg] Getting the document finished Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Getting the document finished Lars Eggert
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Getting the document finished Joe Touch
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Getting the document finished Michelle Cotton
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Joe Touch
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Michelle Cotton
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Joe Touch
- Re: [port-srv-reg] Fwd: Re: [DNSOP] New version o… Michelle Cotton