Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG

Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Fri, 09 September 2011 18:24 UTC

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Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:26:04 -0400
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Hi Mark,

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Mark Townsley <mark@townsley.net> wrote:
>
> On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Glen Zorn wrote:

Actually I wrote the following:

>> One question is, should PPPEXT have a 1 hour meeting at the November
>> IETF meeting? I think that would be the best way to come to consensus
>> on this but obviously only if enough people would plan to actually
>> attend. So, I'd be interested in who would attend and any opinions
>> for or against such a meeting.
>
> PPPEXT hasn't met in, what, 10 years or more? The charter hasn't changed
> significantly since Thomas Narten was AD. I seriously doubt a physical
> meeting is worth having in what are already jam-packed IETF meetings.  If
> you have any PPP experts there, it will be because folks like Glen, James,
> and others happen to have moved on to other areas that require IETF
> presence.

I don't have any particular problem operating PPPEXT without meetings,
if that is what people want, either under the current charter or an
expanded charter to do some security stuff.

> If you are dead set on a recharter (personally, I like the pppext charter,
> and pointed to it as a good example of a "dormant but useful" WG several
> times as AD) then round up the PPP guys that are still around and chat with
> them in the hallway and take it to the list. It could even be a fun bar
> outing, looking back on the good old 90s... perhaps we could get Craig and
> Karl Fox to dig up some memorabilia.

Well, it caused some difficulties with the TRILL over PPP draft that
the current charter prohibits the WG producing any documents, which
seems to also rule out the WG updating any security documents.
Furthermore, I believe that our AD is inclined to shut down the WG if
the current situation doesn't change.

> But, please don't make Marcia deal with what to her will look like a brand
> new WG to deal with scheduling.

Everything has benefits and costs. That it takes some effort to
schedule a meeting for a group that has not met in a long time does
not seem like the exclusively controlling factor to me.

Thanks,
Donald
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> - Mark
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> I would attend if I had no irreconcilable conflicts.
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