Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG
Mark Townsley <mark@townsley.net> Fri, 09 September 2011 23:49 UTC
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OK, I stand corrected. I was thinking of the charter that had existed before and during my tenure as AD: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pppext/charters?item=charter-pppext-2006-07-03.txt It seems a few sentences were added in 2009, in particular the unfortunate text that says: "The group is not expected to create new specifications, and if a need for such work comes up, a recharter is required." This looks like Jari's handiwork, he just loves to recharter WGs ;-) With this new sentence, yes, it looks like pppext is unnecessarily hamstrung from advancing enhancements that the group does *not* think are of questionable value. - Mark On Sep 9, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Mark Townsley <mark@townsley.net> wrote: >> >> On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Glen Zorn wrote: > > Actually I wrote the following: > >>> One question is, should PPPEXT have a 1 hour meeting at the November >>> IETF meeting? I think that would be the best way to come to consensus >>> on this but obviously only if enough people would plan to actually >>> attend. So, I'd be interested in who would attend and any opinions >>> for or against such a meeting. >> >> PPPEXT hasn't met in, what, 10 years or more? The charter hasn't changed >> significantly since Thomas Narten was AD. I seriously doubt a physical >> meeting is worth having in what are already jam-packed IETF meetings. If >> you have any PPP experts there, it will be because folks like Glen, James, >> and others happen to have moved on to other areas that require IETF >> presence. > > I don't have any particular problem operating PPPEXT without meetings, > if that is what people want, either under the current charter or an > expanded charter to do some security stuff. > >> If you are dead set on a recharter (personally, I like the pppext charter, >> and pointed to it as a good example of a "dormant but useful" WG several >> times as AD) then round up the PPP guys that are still around and chat with >> them in the hallway and take it to the list. It could even be a fun bar >> outing, looking back on the good old 90s... perhaps we could get Craig and >> Karl Fox to dig up some memorabilia. > > Well, it caused some difficulties with the TRILL over PPP draft that > the current charter prohibits the WG producing any documents, which > seems to also rule out the WG updating any security documents. > Furthermore, I believe that our AD is inclined to shut down the WG if > the current situation doesn't change. > >> But, please don't make Marcia deal with what to her will look like a brand >> new WG to deal with scheduling. > > Everything has benefits and costs. That it takes some effort to > schedule a meeting for a group that has not met in a long time does > not seem like the exclusively controlling factor to me. > > Thanks, > Donald > ============================= > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > >> - Mark >> >> I would attend if I had no irreconcilable conflicts. >> _______________________________________________ >> Pppext mailing list >> Pppext@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext >> >>
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Mark Townsley
- [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Mark Townsley
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG William Allen Simpson
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Thomas Narten
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Mark Townsley
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Mark Townsley
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Ignacio Goyret
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG William Allen Simpson
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Jacni Qin
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Jacni Qin
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Jacni Qin
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Jacni Qin
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Mark Townsley
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG James Carlson
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG William Allen Simpson
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG William Allen Simpson
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake