Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG
Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Mon, 12 September 2011 03:58 UTC
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From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 00:00:11 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG
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Hi Mark, On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Mark Townsley <mark@townsley.net> wrote: > > OK, I stand corrected. I was thinking of the charter that had existed before > and during my tenure as AD: > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pppext/charters?item=charter-pppext-2006-07-03.txt > It seems a few sentences were added in 2009, in particular the unfortunate > text that says: > "The group is not expected to create new specifications, and if a need for > such work comes up, a recharter is required." Not only is that a problem for security documents, if any are desired, but it tripped up RFC 6361 that ended up having a four week IETF Last Call to fix the problem. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > This looks like Jari's handiwork, he just loves to recharter WGs ;-) > With this new sentence, yes, it looks like pppext is unnecessarily hamstrung > from advancing enhancements that the group does *not* think are of > questionable value. > - Mark > > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Mark Townsley <mark@townsley.net> wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Glen Zorn wrote: > > Actually I wrote the following: > > One question is, should PPPEXT have a 1 hour meeting at the November > > IETF meeting? I think that would be the best way to come to consensus > > on this but obviously only if enough people would plan to actually > > attend. So, I'd be interested in who would attend and any opinions > > for or against such a meeting. > > PPPEXT hasn't met in, what, 10 years or more? The charter hasn't changed > > significantly since Thomas Narten was AD. I seriously doubt a physical > > meeting is worth having in what are already jam-packed IETF meetings. If > > you have any PPP experts there, it will be because folks like Glen, James, > > and others happen to have moved on to other areas that require IETF > > presence. > > I don't have any particular problem operating PPPEXT without meetings, > if that is what people want, either under the current charter or an > expanded charter to do some security stuff. > > If you are dead set on a recharter (personally, I like the pppext charter, > > and pointed to it as a good example of a "dormant but useful" WG several > > times as AD) then round up the PPP guys that are still around and chat with > > them in the hallway and take it to the list. It could even be a fun bar > > outing, looking back on the good old 90s... perhaps we could get Craig and > > Karl Fox to dig up some memorabilia. > > Well, it caused some difficulties with the TRILL over PPP draft that > the current charter prohibits the WG producing any documents, which > seems to also rule out the WG updating any security documents. > Furthermore, I believe that our AD is inclined to shut down the WG if > the current situation doesn't change. > > But, please don't make Marcia deal with what to her will look like a brand > > new WG to deal with scheduling. > > Everything has benefits and costs. That it takes some effort to > schedule a meeting for a group that has not met in a long time does > not seem like the exclusively controlling factor to me. > > Thanks, > Donald > ============================= > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > - Mark > > I would attend if I had no irreconcilable conflicts. > > _______________________________________________ > > Pppext mailing list > > Pppext@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext > > > >
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Mark Townsley
- [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Mark Townsley
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG William Allen Simpson
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Thomas Narten
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Mark Townsley
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Mark Townsley
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Ignacio Goyret
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG William Allen Simpson
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Jacni Qin
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Jacni Qin
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Jacni Qin
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Jacni Qin
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Mark Townsley
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG James Carlson
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG William Allen Simpson
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Glen Zorn
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG William Allen Simpson
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG Donald Eastlake