Re: [Pppext] Future of the PPP WG

Mark Townsley <> Sun, 11 September 2011 16:41 UTC

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On Sep 11, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:

> On 9/10/2011 4:33 PM, Mark Townsley wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Bernard Aboba wrote:
>>>> If the purpose of such a meeting is to talk about rechartering, I see
>>>> no evidence that such time would be well spent.
>>> [BA] +1
>>> After such a long hiatus, I do not think it is wise to attempt to
>>> re-activate this WG. 
>>> However, I might consider attending a "PPP Reunion Night" where we
>>> play music from the 90s, and reminisce about dialup modems. 
>> Now *that* sounds like a good use of time of which I would happily
>> attend :-)
>> In addition to the 90s music, I think this would have to be our theme
>> song...
> Well, this is all good fun, in a US/Euro-centric kind of way, but it
> would be good to remember that in a very large part of the world our
> "theme song" is a still a vital part of the Internet & is likely to
> remain so for a considerable period of time.  This email will make the
> first hop of its journey over (the much maligned) PPPoE, for example;
> not everybody lives in advanced countries such as S. Korea (the
> connectivity of which should make both the French and Americans hang
> their heads in shame).  In short, PPP is far from obsolete.
> ...

Obsolete? No. Stable, mature, and in no need of tinkering with? Yes. 

I find listening to the modem training nostalgic (teenage years running BBS systems, not to mention building access servers at IBM and Cisco). I was just guessing others do here as well. This list is not representative of the entire world of Internet users. 

Last time I ran into this same sound in real life was just this summer, using an ATM machine at a gas station in Wisconsin. So, yes, of course all this stuff is still in use, and not just outside the US/Euro-zone. Didn't mean to suggest otherwise.

So, let's chill, and if we do have a PPP get-together and we can both be there, I'll happily buy you the first round ;-)

- Mark