Re: [ppsp] 回复: Re: An early AD review of draft-ietf-ppsp-problem-statement-10.txt
Martin Stiemerling <martin.stiemerling@neclab.eu> Fri, 28 September 2012 08:58 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ppsp] 回复: Re: An early AD review of draft-ietf-ppsp-problem-statement-10.txt
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Hello Yunfei, On 09/25/2012 04:41 AM, zhangyunfei wrote: > Hi Martin, > Thanks for the quick response. It's really helpful for us to > understand more the IESG thoughts in general from your reply. Just same > as you, I just want to confirm with you the open issues left. Thanks again. > BR > Yunfei > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > zhangyunfei > *发件人:* Martin Stiemerling <mailto:martin.stiemerling@neclab.eu> > *发送时间:* 2012-09-24 21:23 > *收件人:* zhangyunfei <mailto:zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com> > *抄送:* ppsp <mailto:ppsp@ietf.org>; ZongNing <mailto:zongning@huawei.com> > *主题:* Re: [ppsp] An early AD review of > draft-ietf-ppsp-problem-statement-10.txt > > Section 3.2., paragraph 3: > > > section 3.1, proprietary P2P protocols introduce complexity between > > > peers and CDN trackers because the CDN trackers need to identify each > > > different P2P streaming protocol. This increases the deployment cost > > > of CDN. > > I do not understand the issue here. First of all, all the different > > p2p streaming systems could use a common tracker protocol. Second, > > how does the above text relate to latency issues? Third, even if > > there are multiple, different tracker protocols what is this related > > to in this section? > > [Yunfei] What I mean is that *before* we design and implement PPSP, > > different P2P streaming > > systems have to use different protocols. > This I can easily understand and it would be good to separate it from > the latency, e.g., making a new paragraph afterwards. > Second, for the latency issue, > > it is because the introduction of *CDN* nodes > > inside the p2p streaming delivery reduce the latency (see in the > > reference in the text for detail). The problem is that the CDN must be > > aware of the specific p2p streaming protocol in order to form the hybrid > > p2p+cdn architecture, which can lead to a shorter latency from the > > users' perspective. > Can you add this text, you just proposed here, of course adapted to the > text flow? This helps a lot to understand the improvement of the latency. > [Yunfei] Does it make sense that we describe the CDN problem in only one > subsection, but in the beginning of this subsection, to clarify that the > main purpose of using CDN is to reduce the latency(i.e., accelerate the > speed)?After that, > we state the problem is that > the CDN must be aware of the specific p2p streaming protocol in order to form the hybrid > p2p+cdn architecture but we don't involve much of the description about > the roles, like tracker or peer....Will this look more > clear? This is a good proposal! > > Section 4.1., paragraph 0: > > 4.1. Tracker protocol candidates discussion and design issues > > Why is there the need to discuss the candidates in this > > draft? Wouldn't it be better to roughly sketch the task of the > > tracker protocol? I.e., to give a reasoning why it is required? > > [Yunfei] My intention to discuss the candidates in this > > draft is to reply David Harrington's IESG review on the tasks of the > > tracker protocol, as you also mentioned. > > Since we have pointed out the problems current protocols have, in my > > initial thoughts (maybe I am wrong), I think in this > > section we may need the discuss the candidates of the protocols, since > > the protocol design is the main tasks of > > the WG. May I further ask your imaginations on the content of this part > > in detail? It would be much helpful for writing this part. > There can be various opinions about whether such section is useful in > this draft or not. I do not find it useful here, but I do not object to > keep it in, if the WG wants to have it. > I am just wondering, if a high-level text about general functionality of > the tracker protocol is probably linked to the requirements later on, > would be useful? > [Yunfei] I like this proposal. Is it better to shorten section 4 moving > all the protocol candidates discussion and just leaving the high-level > functional descriptions of the tracker and peer protocol( I am not sure > if we need some fine granularity description, say, general information > in tracker and peer protocol) and move this section after the use cases. high-level description should do the job here in this draft. Regards, Martin -- martin.stiemerling@neclab.eu NEC Laboratories Europe - Network Research Division NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL Registered in England 283
- [ppsp] An early AD review of draft-ietf-ppsp-prob… Martin Stiemerling
- Re: [ppsp] An early AD review of draft-ietf-ppsp-… zhangyunfei
- Re: [ppsp] An early AD review of draft-ietf-ppsp-… Zongning
- Re: [ppsp] An early AD review of draft-ietf-ppsp-… Martin Stiemerling
- [ppsp] 回复: Re: An early AD review of draft-ietf-p… zhangyunfei
- Re: [ppsp] An early AD review of draft-ietf-ppsp-… Martin Stiemerling
- Re: [ppsp] 回复: Re: An early AD review of draft-ie… Martin Stiemerling
- [ppsp] 回复: Re: An early AD review of draft-ietf-p… zhangyunfei
- [ppsp] 2nd part of an early AD review of draft-ie… Martin Stiemerling
- Re: [ppsp] 2nd part of an early AD review of draf… Zongning