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Re: [precis] Ben Campbell's Yes on draft-ietf-precis-7564bis-08: (with COMMENT)

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Thu, 06 July 2017 15:26 UTC

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From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>
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Subject: Re: [precis] Ben Campbell's Yes on draft-ietf-precis-7564bis-08: (with COMMENT)
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On 7/6/17 8:45 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
> 
> 
> --On Thursday, July 6, 2017 08:38 -0600 Peter Saint-Andre
> <stpeter@stpeter.im> wrote:
> 
>>>>    Note: IANA is requested to not make further updates to
>>>>    this registry    until the issues described in
>>>> [IAB-Statement] and Section 13.5 have    been settled.
>>>
>>> While not an ideal solution (it is not clear to me that there
>>> is such a thing), this addition removes my objection to
>>> processing (and approving and publishing) the PRECIS
>>> documents at this time.
>>
>> Yes, this seems like the best course.
> 
> Yeah although extrapolation from the ICANN experience with the
> IANA IDNA database and the tone of complaints from that
> direction in combination with how well we seem to be doing about
> processing, and getting meaningful consensus for, I18n documents
> more generally, it would be reasonable to translate that
> statement as something involving "never". 

I hope that's not the case, but I fear you might be right.

> Given the statement,
> I don't see it as useful to further hold up the PRECIS
> documents, especially because they are a clear improvement over
> their predecessors, but, IMO, we had better recognize, soon,
> that we have a problem and start doing something about it.

Very much agreed.

Peter

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