Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG
"Marc Blanchet" <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca> Mon, 28 March 2016 20:01 UTC
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On 28 Mar 2016, at 15:50, John C Klensin wrote: > --On Monday, March 28, 2016 15:28 -0400 Marc Blanchet > <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca> wrote: > >>> Marc, would you like me to submit these as individual I-Ds or >>> WG I-Ds? (They would be >>> draft-[ietf|saintandre]-rfc[7564|7613|7700]-bis-00.) >> >> I'm sure that the wg is likely to be ok with wg drafts, but >> let's do the normal process. Please submit first as >> individual draft and we will call later for wg adoption. > > Marc, > > For whatever my opinion as a participant is worth, that would be > meaningless, time-wasting, ritual for its own sake. disagree. the step from individual to wg is the normal process and has no impact on technical work: the technical work can continue whatever the filename is. Let’s spend time on technical discussions on the content of the to-be-published draft. Marc. > These are > the descendants of WG documents, responding to issues that came > up during or immediately after LC. The issues should have been > detected earlier (a failing by the WG). At least some of those > issues arguably should have stopped the relevant documents > pre-publication except that there seemed to be general feeling > that is was better to get the documents out and then revisit the > issues with revisions. Based on your announcement, the WG has > been kept open precisely to deal with that set of issues. > Remembering that Peter is the author or co-author of the key > drafts being revised, unless you have reason to believe that new > drafts that he might create would be so far out of line that the > WG couldn't use them as a starting point for discussion, the > only things that going through individual drafts and then > calling for WG adoption accomplish are to create extra ritual, > extra confusion, and more delay in getting to substance. > > If there really is concern that these documents should be > published first as individual drafts, wouldn't it be reasonable > to see if you could get formal and substantive consensus (and a > collection of committed volunteers and participants) for > continuing with the WG? As far as I know, that question has not > been formally asked of the participants. Given the extent, > depth, and number of participants in the review of some of the > documents -- to say nothing of whatever caused the issues that > are now the topic of revisions-- it seems to me that a > determination of whether you actually have critical mass to > continue on a WG basis is a far more important next step than > creating a ritual about WG adoption of a set of follow-on and > correction documents. > > john
- [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG IETF Secretariat
- [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG IETF Secretariat
- [precis] Fwd: Milestones changed for precis WG Marc Blanchet
- Re: [precis] Fwd: Milestones changed for precis WG Peter Saint-Andre
- [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG IETF Secretariat
- [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG IETF Secretariat
- [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG IETF Secretariat
- Re: [precis] Fwd: Milestones changed for precis WG Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG Marc Blanchet
- Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG John C Klensin
- Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG Christian Schudt
- Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG Marc Blanchet
- Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG Barry Leiba
- Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG Marc Blanchet
- Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG John C Klensin
- Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG Marc Blanchet
- [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG IETF Secretariat
- [precis] order of operations (was: Re: Milestones… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] order of operations (was: Re: Milest… Sam Whited
- Re: [precis] order of operations Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] order of operations Sam Whited
- Re: [precis] order of operations Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [precis] order of operations Martin J. Dürst