Re: [proxies] [IETF Proxy] Next Steps

Stefan Winter <stefan.winter@restena.lu> Tue, 06 May 2008 19:32 UTC

Return-Path: <proxies-bounces@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: proxies-archive@ietf.org
Delivered-To: ietfarch-proxies-archive@core3.amsl.com
Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DED028C34D; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:32:15 -0700 (PDT)
X-Original-To: proxies@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: proxies@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03A828C451 for <proxies@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.392
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.207, BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1bHDSLWxmXYs for <proxies@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtp.restena.lu (legolas.restena.lu [158.64.1.34]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A28128C298 for <proxies@ietf.org>; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtp.restena.lu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.restena.lu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA3430276FD; Tue, 6 May 2008 21:32:10 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from [158.64.15.131] (unknown [158.64.15.131]) by smtp.restena.lu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3F430276F1; Tue, 6 May 2008 21:32:09 +0200 (CEST)
Message-ID: <4820B356.4000309@restena.lu>
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 21:36:54 +0200
From: Stefan Winter <stefan.winter@restena.lu>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080226)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Klaas Wierenga <klaas@wierenga.net>
References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080416172531.02401228@nist.gov><200804171550.48931.stefan.winter@ restena.lu><057433e024b8d47267adf9fd0379bd6b.squirrel@www.trepanning.net><4820 0024.80801@restena.lu> <48201D8A.5030900@wierenga.net> <A3DA4C2546E1614D8ACC896746CDCF29012D9430@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <48209E7D.8040000@wierenga.net>
In-Reply-To: <48209E7D.8040000@wierenga.net>
X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP
Cc: proxies@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [proxies] [IETF Proxy] Next Steps
X-BeenThere: proxies@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: Discussion list for ad hoc group interested in security and proxies <proxies.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/proxies>, <mailto:proxies-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:proxies@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:proxies-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/proxies>, <mailto:proxies-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender: proxies-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: proxies-bounces@ietf.org

Hi,
>>> I guess you could say that the proxy's are a policy enforcement
>>> point... 
>>
>> I suppose you could, but I wish you wouldn't ;-).
>>
>> ...
>
> ;-)
>
> but that is what it does, doesn't it? It either or not forwards 
> authentication requests based on the forwarding policies that have 
> been set.... The point I wanted to make is that the proxy in this case 
> is about policies, not about politics.

Well concept is correct, but the term of policy enforcement point is a 
bit problematic these days, because it is used in a different context 
and with a different meaning already: NEA. In NEA, the PEP has 
approximately the role of a NAS. While what we are talking about here is 
not about stuff that happens on a NAS, but on a AAA server behind that 
NAS. So, if we were to use terms from the NEA world, I would rather say 
that a policy-driven proxy should be termed Policy Decision Point - 
after all, forwarding-or-not is a decision, not an enforcement. Anyway, 
thanks for the pointer in the general NEA direction - a NEA PDP is 
indeed quite an analogous thing to a AAA policy-motivated proxy IMHO.

Enough acronyms for a day,

Stefan
_______________________________________________
Proxies mailing list
Proxies@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/proxies