[PWE3] LDP DoD and PW Signalling ...

<N.Leymann@telekom.de> Mon, 27 June 2011 07:41 UTC

Return-Path: <N.Leymann@telekom.de>
X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDC111E8081; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:41:32 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.649
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xOsAsym8w7Qd; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:41:32 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from tcmail33.telekom.de (tcmail33.telekom.de [194.25.30.7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F1911E8086; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:41:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from he101250.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.125.92.153]) by tcmail31.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 27 Jun 2011 09:41:14 +0200
Received: from HE111543.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([169.254.4.228]) by HE101250.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::e439:4046:12e2:e37%15]) with mapi; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:41:14 +0200
From: N.Leymann@telekom.de
To: mpls@ietf.org, pwe3@ietf.org
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:41:13 +0200
Thread-Topic: LDP DoD and PW Signalling ...
Thread-Index: Acw0nZayI9OcF0gpR7qbFZfRRe6WPg==
Message-ID: <9762ACF04FA26B4388476841256BDE0201151F467921@HE111543.emea1.cds.t-internal.com>
Accept-Language: de-DE
Content-Language: de-DE
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
acceptlanguage: de-DE
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: [PWE3] LDP DoD and PW Signalling ...
X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge <pwe3.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/pwe3>, <mailto:pwe3-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3>
List-Post: <mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:pwe3-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3>, <mailto:pwe3-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:41:32 -0000

Hi,

We came across an issue related to the Seamless MPLS Architecture when running LDP DoD between two nodes if we are trying to set up an PW between the same nodes.

Assume we have an Access Node (AN) and an Aggregation Mode (AG). The AN establishes a LDP DoD with the AG. When we are going to establish a PW between the AN and the AG as well we run into the problem that RFC4447 specifies only the DU mode for the targeted LDP session (section 3):

   "An LDP session must be set up between the pseudowire endpoints.
    LDP MUST be used in its 'downstream unsolicited' mode.  LDP's
    'liberal label retention' mode SHOULD be used."

>From our point of view we should reuse the existing LDP session and go with only a single LDP session between AN and AG. That has the advantage that we do not change the behaviour of PW FECs 128/129 (there are other options like using two LDP sessions with additonal lookbacks or two sessions with single loopback and LDP DoD for IP FECs, but those have an heavy -  negative impact - on the existing implementations and/or standards).

For a more long term approach we are in favour of a change to RFC5036 by defining a new TLV which denotes the DU/DoD mode per FEC type.

Any comments on that?

  Regards

     Nic