Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-01 - RFC4447
Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> Fri, 08 August 2014 14:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-01 - RFC4447
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Yakov, On 2014-08-08 16:02, Yakov Rekhter wrote: > Loa, > >> Authors, Mingui, Stewart >> >> On 2014-08-08 04:46, Mingui Zhang wrote: >>> Hi Stewart, >>> >>> I think authors would say the S-PE stitching method involves >>> the control plane processing during the repair procedure. They >>> emphasized their method uses data plane & local repair, which >>> can be faster. >>> Here, I want to raise one issue: >> >> It seems that we take it for granted that the method proposed on this >> draft is faster than e.g. the e2e protection a la mpls-tp. Why is that? > > To answer your question let me quote from "Network Recovery" by JP > Vasseur, Mario Pickavet, Piet Demeester (Section 5.8.1, page 336): > > With global protection, rerouting is performed by the head-end > LSR, which means that this requires for the head-end LSR to receive > the failure indication to reroute the affected traffic onto their > respective backup paths (whose paths have been precomputed and > signaled). So in terms of recovery time, the delta between global > and local protection is the failure indication signal propagation > time to the head-end LSR. > > Yakov. > Well, I won't argue that this is what is said in the book, but it is not what I asked about. mpls-tp runs e.g. 1:1 or 1:n, i.e. 1 working lsp (or pw) is protected by one or more pre-established lsp's or pw's. detection time can be as low as 10ms and the switch over is far shorter. While I understand that the draft is much more resource conservative, what is the foundation to claim that is faster? /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64
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- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Henderickx, Wim (Wim)
- [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpoint-… Yakov Rekhter
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… John E Drake
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Jiangyuanlong
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Mach Chen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yakov Rekhter
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Henderickx, Wim (Wim)
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Loa Andersson
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Eric Rosen
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Mingui Zhang
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Mingui Zhang
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Loa Andersson
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Yakov Rekhter
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Loa Andersson
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Yakov Rekhter
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Loa Andersson
- Re: [PWE3] [mpls] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe… Huub van Helvoort
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [PWE3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pwe3-endpo… Yimin Shen