Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA90121F8542 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:38:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -107.77 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-107.77 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.522, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AFf+0lrlHLYt for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail6.alcatel.fr (smail6.alcatel.fr [62.23.212.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F2A21F84B5 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q48EcTtp032571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 8 May 2012 16:38:30 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.34]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.61]) with mapi; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:38:29 +0200 From: "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" To: Yaakov Stein Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:38:26 +0200 Thread-Topic: [PWE3] Updates to goals and milestones Thread-Index: Ac0tKDxAySVpxwGSTb+yOW64e9OSFg== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC9043C67CD@EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.0.120402 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CBCEEDB22A764matthewboccialcatellucentcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.84 Cc: "pwe3@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [PWE3] Updates to goals and milestones X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 14:38:33 -0000 --_000_CBCEEDB22A764matthewboccialcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yakov, We currently have two separate drafts covering the first two bullets, but I= am not sure that the milestones should be interpreted as a mapping to sepa= rate drafts. I believe the WG has only discussed VCCV 'rationalisation' in terms of redu= cing the number of channel types. Do you think we should fold RFC5885 into = the bis? Regards Matthew On 08/05/2012 15:03, "Yaakov Stein" > wrote: Matthew What if a single document (5085-bis) solves all these problems ? Would you still want 3 milestones ? Does "rationalization of VCCV" include unifying the BFD portion in RFC 5885 with the rest of the modes (thus obsoleting 5085 and 5885) ? Y(J)S From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-boun= ces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Matthew) Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 13:19 To: Gregory Mirsky; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) Cc: pwe3@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PWE3] Updates to goals and milestones Greg, Carlos, I think this milestone started life as referring to any PW OAM extensions r= equired for MPLS-TP. However, it has become very ambiguous. There are reall= y a number of objectives that we should capture, including at least the fol= lowing: * Additional VCCV Channel Type using the GAL * VCCV capability negotiation for MPLS-TP OAM tools. * Rationalisation of VCCV (RFC5085bis) I think we could replace this milestone with milestones for the above. Regards Matthew On 04/05/2012 20:53, "Gregory Mirsky" > wrote: Dear Matthew, Carlos, et al., I agree with Carlos that updates to VCCV Control Channels resulting from di= scussion of GAL as Type 4 VCCV CC, perhaps as RFC5085bis, can be captured i= n Milestones. But I think that this work not necessarily tied with CV capab= ility extension that, I think, referenced as "Enhanced PW OAM". Regards, Greg ________________________________ From:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounc= es@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 4:38 AM To: Bocci, Matthew (Matthew) Cc: pwe3@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PWE3] Updates to goals and milestones Matthew, In Paris there was discussion (and subsequent followup) about a VCCV-bis do= cument. I am not sure if a formal consensus call was issued on that, but I = wonder if it needs to be captured as a milestone (or how it relates to "Enh= anced PW OAM"). Thumb typed by Carlos Pignataro. Excuze typofraphicak errows On May 4, 2012, at 6:39 AM, "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" > wrote: All, Please find below a proposed list of updates to the WG goals and milestones= that was presented in Paris, with one modification pushing the P2MP Requir= ements LC back to Dec 2012. Please post any comments to the list before Friday 11th May. Matthew Done - PWE3 WG started, organize editing teams. Done - Hold interim meeting, including discussion of priority of serv= ice-specific documents and consider pruning some deliverables Done - Accept drafts of service-specific documents as WG items Done - PW Requirements Document Last Call Done - TDM Circuit Documents Last Call Done - ATM Documents Last Call Done - Ethernet Documents Last Call Done - Fragmentation LC Done - TDM Requirements LC Done - SONET Documents Last Call Done - TDM Documents Last Call Done - Frame Relay Documents Last Call Done - FCS retention Last Call Done - Multi-Segment PW Requirements LC Done - VCCV LC Done - PWE3 Services MIBs LC Done - PPP/HDLC PW LC Done - Wildcard FEC LC Done - TDM Signaling LC Done- Multi-Segment Architecture LC Done - Basic Pseudowire MIBs LC Done - PW OAM Mapping LC Done - Multi-Segment PW LC Done - PW Protection and Restoration Requirements LC Done - PW Protection and Restoration Architecture Done - Generic Associated Channel Header LC Done - PW Protection and Restoration LC Done - Fiber Channel Encap LC Done- Multipath PW LC Done - Packet PW Requirements / solution Dec 2012- P2MP Requirements LC Done =96 PW Status signalling in static/MPLS-TP July 2012 - Dynamic MS PW LC Sept 2012- Enhanced PW OAM Sept 2011 =96 Signaling extensions for MPLS-TP OAM Dec 2012- Multisegment PW MIB Dec 2012- Security Considerations LC Dec 2012=96 Congestion Considerations Dec 2012- P2MP PW Signaling (root initiated) Dec 2012=96 P2MP PW Signaling (leaf initiated) _______________________________________________ pwe3 mailing list pwe3@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3 --_000_CBCEEDB22A764matthewboccialcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yakov,

We currently have two separate drafts covering the first two bullets, but = I am not sure that the milestones should be interpreted as a mapping to sep= arate drafts. 

I believe the WG has only disc= ussed VCCV 'rationalisation' in terms of reducing the number of channel typ= es. Do you think we should fold RFC5885 into the bis?

<= div>Regards

Matthew

On 08/05/2012 15:03, "Yaakov Stein= " <yaakov_s@rad.com> wro= te:

Matthew

 <= /p>

What if a single document (5085= -bis) solves all these problems ?

Would you still want 3 milestones ?<= /p>

 

Does "rationalization of VCCV&qu= ot; include unifying the BFD portion in RFC 5885

with the rest of the modes (thus obsole= ting 5085 and 5885) ?

 

Y(J)S

=  

&= nbsp;

From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)
Sent: Tuesday, May 0= 8, 2012 13:19
To: Gregory Mirsky; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
= Cc: pwe3@ietf.org
Subject= : Re: [PWE3] Updates to goals and milestones

 

Greg, Carlos,

 

I think this milestone started life as referring to any PW OAM ext= ensions required for MPLS-TP. However, it has become very ambiguous. There = are really a number of objectives that we should capture, including at least the following:

 

  • Additional VCCV Channel Type using the GAL
  • VCCV capability negotiation for MPLS-TP OAM to= ols.
  • Rationalisation of VCCV (RFC5085bis)

 

I think we could replace t= his milestone with milestones for the above.

 

Regards

 

Matthew

 

On 04/05/2012 20:53, "Gregory Mirsky" <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>= wrote:

Dear Matthew, Carlos, et al.,

I agree with Carl= os that updates to VCCV Control Channels resulting from discussion of GAL a= s Type 4 VCCV CC, perhaps as RFC5085bis, can be captured in Milestones. But I think that this work not necessarily tied with CV capabili= ty extension that, I think, referenced as "Enhanced PW OAM".

 <= /o:p>

    Regards,=

=         Greg

From:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org= [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org= ] On Behalf Of Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
Sent: Friday, May= 04, 2012 4:38 AM
To: Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)
Cc: pwe3@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [PWE3= ] Updates to goals and milestones

=

Matthew,

 

In Paris there was discussion (and subsequent follow= up) about a VCCV-bis document. I am not sure if a formal consensus call was= issued on that, but I wonder if it needs to be captured as a milestone (or how it relates to "Enhanced PW OAM"). 


Thumb typed by Carlos Pignataro.<= /span>

Excuze typofraphicak errows

=


On May 4, 2012, at 6:39 AM, "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" <matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.= com> wrote:

All= ,

 = ;

Please find bel= ow a proposed list of updates to the WG goals and milestones that was prese= nted in Paris, with one modification pushing the P2MP Requirements LC back to Dec 2012.

 

Please post any comments to the list before Friday 11th May.

 

Matthew<= /p>

 

&n= bsp;Done     - PWE3 WG started, organize e= diting teams.

  Done     - Hold interim meeting,= including discussion of priority of service-specific documents and conside= r pruning some deliverables

  Done     - Accept drafts of serv= ice-specific documents as WG items

  Done     - PW Requirements Docum= ent Last Call

  Done     - TDM Circuit Documents= Last Call

  Done     - ATM Documents Last Ca= ll

  Done     - Ethernet Documents La= st Call

  Done     - Fragmentation LC

  Done     - TDM Requirements LC

  Done     - SONET Documents Last = Call

  Done     - TDM Documents Last Ca= ll

  Done     - Frame Relay Documents= Last Call

  Done     - FCS retention Last Ca= ll

  Done     - Multi-Segment PW Requ= irements LC

  Done     - VCCV LC

  Done     - PWE3 Services MIBs LC=

  Done     - PPP/HDLC PW LC=

  Done     - Wildcard FEC LC

  Done     - TDM Signaling LC

 = ; Done- Multi-Segment Architecture LC

<= p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"> = ; Done     - Basic Pseudowire MIBs LC

 = ; Done - PW OAM Mapping LC

 = ; Done - Multi-Segment PW LC

 = ; Done - PW Protection and Restoration Requirements LC<= /o:p>

 = ; Done - PW Protection and Restoration Architecture

 = ; Done - Generic Associated Channel Header LC

 = ; Done - PW Protection and Restoration LC<= /p>

 = ; Done - Fiber Channel Encap LC

 = ; Done- Multipath PW LC

 = ; Done  - Packet PW Requirements / solution

 = ; Dec  2012- P2MP Requirements LC

=

 = ; Done  =96 PW Status signalling in static/MPLS-TP

 = ; July 2012 - Dynamic MS PW LC

 = ; Sept 2012- Enhanced PW OAM

 = ; Sept 2011 =96 Signaling extensions for MPLS-TP OAM

 = ; Dec 2012- Multisegment PW MIB

 = ; Dec 2012- Security Considerations LC

 = ; Dec 2012=96 Congestion Considerations 

 = ;Dec  2012- P2MP PW Signaling (root initiated)

 = ;Dec 2012=96 P2MP PW Signaling (leaf initiated)

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