Re: [Qirg] draft-wang-qirg-quantum-internet-use-cases-05 - Feedback on WG Adoption

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>>The item also mentions rates and fidelities,
In the context of classical Network,  today, the main objective of any multiservice telecommunication system is to offer connectivity adapted to a very wide variety of application services with their own network Quality of Service (QoS) requirements that are essential to satisfy the end-user's Quality of Experience (QoE).

Thus¸it is important to have knowledge of the QoS requirements of the applications that will use the network. The approach is to identify the main classes of service with their QoS (Quality of Service) objectives and then propose a classification of the main multimedia application services in order to reveal their expectations in terms of network QOS requirements for QoE optimization purposes.

Quality of service depends on end-to-end technical aspects, which include the performance of the transport network and application processing. Quality of experience depends on QoS and non-technical aspects related to the subjective experience of users. However, it should be noted that with the arrival of the Internet of Things, users are no longer people, but machines that do not have the same sensitivity to network QoS parameters.

Standardization bodies (3GPP TS 23.203, ITU-T Y.154) propose different criteria for classifying application services, but the main distinctions are as follows :

-        Real-time applications: Their characteristic is that data received after a certain delay is no longer usable by the receiving application. Among these are the following:

o   Loss-intolerant real-time applications (process control, high quality video, etc.)

o   Loss-tolerant real-time applications. Two behaviors of the application are distinguished:

§  Adaptive real-time applications: the application detects data loss and adapts to it.

§  Non-adaptive real-time applications

-        Elastic applications: They can always wait for data that arrive late. There are three categories:

o   Interactive in bursts, e.g. Telnet,

o   Interactive via trains, e.g. FTP,

o   Asynchronous by train, e.g. mail

At the network level, in order to achieve this classification, QoS metrics were standardized (ITU-T Rec. Y.1541, IETF IP Performance Metrics (IPPM)), ie KPI

Now in the context of quantum application,  the application requirements of “quantum Quality of Service”, related to KPI  (Key Performance Indicator) it is just rates and fidelities ?

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Objet : Re: [Qirg] draft-wang-qirg-quantum-internet-use-cases-05 - Feedback on WG Adoption

Dear all,

Following the responses on the mailing list draft-wang-qirg-quantum-internet-use-cases is adopted.

It's pretty clear that we need a use case draft and the charter itself makes reference to such a work item so it's good to see it being worked on.

I do have some feedback for going forward. I've briefly consulted these with Rod, but he may have some more to add.

  *   I think it's necessary for the document to get a person from the quantum information academic community who is an expert on application level protocols to thoroughly review the draft. I assume there are some on this mailing list, but I don't think such a review has been done (do correct me if I'm wrong). If you struggle finding a person to do such a review for you, please contact me and Rod and we will help with finding somebody.
  *   Our charter has recently been updated, but from the start there was a point about a use case work item which now looks as follows(taken from

Wehner, Elkouss and Hanson have created a roadmap of technical
capability milestones for quantum networks. Mapping these
milestones to concrete use cases will help to determine the order
and timing of classical protocols that will be needed. For example,
consider prepare-and-measure networks; what data rates, fidelities
are needed to e.g. make a useful position verification service, and
how would you incorporate that into a complete information system?

I think a use-case document should strive to address this charter point. At the very least it should refer to the capability milestones from the referred paper. The paper in question is: and I believe it's open access (let me know if you can't access it). So in terms of practical steps, you should at least map the use cases to the different stages as this provides some insight into the challenges involved in implementing the use case.

The item also mentions rates and fidelities, but as I'm not an expert on this part of the quantum information literature at all so I will let others determine how feasible it is to provide some numbers.


On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 14:19 +0000, Wojciech Kozlowski wrote:
Dear QIRG,

Following some confusion on the mailing list, I would like to return to Chonggang's original question:

Is draft-wang-qirg-quantum-internet-use-cases ready for WG adoption?

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Original details are in the e-mail below from Chonggang. I will only add a timeline. Please send all comments in support/not support by 21 May (two weeks' time).

I have taken note of the e-mails already sent in support so if you already have done so you don't need to do so again. Please add a technical justification if you have something to what was already said (especially in case of not supporting adoption).

My sincere apologies to the authors for causing a bit of a mess on the mailing list.


On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 14:22 +0000, Chonggang Wang wrote:
Hi All,

As you know, draft-wang-qirg-quantum-internet-use-cases-05 was presented in yesterday’s interim meeting. We are following chairs’ advice to continue discussion on the mailing list.

This I-D was initiated in Jan 2020. Since then, many valuable inputs have been received from QIRG community and this I-D has been revised for five rounds.  We would like to get and appreciate your feedback on:

Is this I-D ready for WG adoption?

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