Re: [Qirg] [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: draft-irtf-qirg-principles: goals and principles]]

Wojciech Kozlowski <W.Kozlowski@tudelft.nl> Sun, 12 July 2020 21:26 UTC

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Dear QIRG,

I have updated the doc following the feedback received at the interim meeting. You can find the latest version here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-qirg-principles/

Relevant GitHub commit: https://github.com/Wojtek242/draft-irtf-qirg-principles/commit/7eac21009e6bc61dc894b435a2b8ed83a1f708d1

Cheers,
Wojtek

On Tue, 2020-06-09 at 15:04 +0000, Wojciech Kozlowski wrote:
Dear QIRG,

Please find the minutes from todays meeting: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-interim-2020-qirg-02-202006091200/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_minutes-2Dinterim-2D2020-2Dqirg-2D02-2D202006091200_&d=DwMGaQ&c=XYzUhXBD2cD-CornpT4QE19xOJBbRy-TBPLK0X9U2o8&r=xRe3k8UnFVGCjuC7RWUARpslGfYlRaP7D3dVZXHUEVc&m=3UtwgpYIyBH0OlOde1RI0qyRNpRqoEXR6eevTt_JmfU&s=0E5lFGAHVav9aGQVjoWXlK8t24xARTagTfdrlJs_c0E&e=>
Blue sheets: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bluesheets-interim-2020-qirg-02-202006091200/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_bluesheets-2Dinterim-2D2020-2Dqirg-2D02-2D202006091200_&d=DwMGaQ&c=XYzUhXBD2cD-CornpT4QE19xOJBbRy-TBPLK0X9U2o8&r=xRe3k8UnFVGCjuC7RWUARpslGfYlRaP7D3dVZXHUEVc&m=3UtwgpYIyBH0OlOde1RI0qyRNpRqoEXR6eevTt_JmfU&s=qqW478sZ2Sy0SJBfBt91i9I_1VvwRGP-7knj1N9tzs0&e=>

If you have any remarks as to the above, please let me know and I'll upload a revision.

My next step will be to include all the points raised in the meeting + some that were raised on the mailing list over the past few months (including Shota's generation PR).

I will write a separate e-mail about the discussion we agreed to take to the mailing list.

Cheers,
Wojtek

On Tue, 2020-06-09 at 11:56 +0000, Wojciech Kozlowski wrote:
5 miutes

On Tue, 2020-06-09 at 07:21 +0000, Wojciech Kozlowski wrote:
Dear QIRG,

Reminder that this call is today at 12:00 UTC.

draft link: https://github.com/Wojtek242/draft-irtf-qirg-principles/blob/master/draft-irtf-qirg-principles-03.txt<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_Wojtek242_draft-2Dirtf-2Dqirg-2Dprinciples_blob_master_draft-2Dirtf-2Dqirg-2Dprinciples-2D03.txt&d=DwMGaQ&c=XYzUhXBD2cD-CornpT4QE19xOJBbRy-TBPLK0X9U2o8&r=xRe3k8UnFVGCjuC7RWUARpslGfYlRaP7D3dVZXHUEVc&m=HRf6jLamfSYGnMMqMf0Cs1z39p5qK9L8oYmqWvtXXmo&s=L77eDXXtEGeNu_FStkATdWb4GNi41Ha30a3FSfPvT4Q&e=>
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Calender event: attached

Regards,
Wojtek

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Subject: [Qirg] [Fwd: Re: draft-irtf-qirg-principles: goals and principles]
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 10:07:14 +0000

Dear QIRG,

A reminder that there is a virtual interim call next week (9 June 12:00 UTC) to discuss section 6 of the Architectural Principles draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-qirg-02/session/qirg<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_meeting_interim-2D2020-2Dqirg-2D02_session_qirg&d=DwMGaQ&c=XYzUhXBD2cD-CornpT4QE19xOJBbRy-TBPLK0X9U2o8&r=xRe3k8UnFVGCjuC7RWUARpslGfYlRaP7D3dVZXHUEVc&m=UqAYKE7-mixIeOQ0cnSwotM-DtGiE0KExtvoqiwyyuo&s=YHSm-T12nUZrE_jrab4A6kNRnuX68d5Y0L5N_2JictQ&e=>
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Calender event: attached

The aim of this call is to step over section 6, review existing points, discuss, and suggest any additions. Experienced advice from people who helped build/witnessed/understand the current Internet architecture and its evolution would be very useful. This section is less about quantum, but more about how to correctly apply the lessons from the classical Internet to the Quantum Internet.

This is the last item that needs a discussion. Following this call I plan to include the feedback that's still waiting on my todo pile (including the generations pull request from Shota) and prepare a final version for top-down review by July.

A summary of the current content is below. Actual content is: https://github.com/Wojtek242/draft-irtf-qirg-principles/blob/master/draft-irtf-qirg-principles-03.txt#L1128<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_Wojtek242_draft-2Dirtf-2Dqirg-2Dprinciples_blob_master_draft-2Dirtf-2Dqirg-2Dprinciples-2D03.txt-23L1128&d=DwMGaQ&c=XYzUhXBD2cD-CornpT4QE19xOJBbRy-TBPLK0X9U2o8&r=xRe3k8UnFVGCjuC7RWUARpslGfYlRaP7D3dVZXHUEVc&m=UqAYKE7-mixIeOQ0cnSwotM-DtGiE0KExtvoqiwyyuo&s=L-OhdnsOipa_jHS3oI5HUmagGfohSSrN2DfqaslWPCU&e=>

6.1.  Goals of a quantum internet

   1.  Support distributed quantum applications
   2.  Support tomorrow's distributed quantum applications
   3.  Support hardware heterogeneity
   4.  Be flexible with regards to hardware capabilities and limitations
   5.  Ensure security at the network level
   6.  Make them easy to manage and monitor
   7.  Ensure availability and resilience

6.2.  The principles of a quantum internet

   1.  Bell Pairs are the fundamental building block
   2.  Bell Pairs are indistinguishable
   3.  Fidelity is part of the service
   4.  Time is part of the service

Cheers,
Wojtek

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Subject: Re: [Qirg] draft-irtf-qirg-principles: goals and principles
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 15:03:57 +0000

I have scheduled a virtual meeting on June 9 at 12:00 UTC. Below are the call details and a calendar event is attached.

Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-qirg-02/session/qirg<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_meeting_interim-2D2020-2Dqirg-2D02_session_qirg&d=DwMGaQ&c=XYzUhXBD2cD-CornpT4QE19xOJBbRy-TBPLK0X9U2o8&r=xRe3k8UnFVGCjuC7RWUARpslGfYlRaP7D3dVZXHUEVc&m=-iwocpdAvMs7ofFlum62h97vL8XRmDsmdE_7LfPYOZw&s=VwFiCHrZU36SWb5sBIn67YJdR3xCBJA8cPuI4T3V7Mw&e=>
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On Fri, 2020-05-15 at 08:18 +0000, Wojciech Kozlowski wrote:
Dear QIRG,

A reminder to fill out your availability for a call about the Architectural Principles draft: https://framadate.org/qvA3TcT8M3E1JTi9<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__framadate.org_qvA3TcT8M3E1JTi9&d=DwMGaQ&c=XYzUhXBD2cD-CornpT4QE19xOJBbRy-TBPLK0X9U2o8&r=xRe3k8UnFVGCjuC7RWUARpslGfYlRaP7D3dVZXHUEVc&m=zLIAUo2eMK5Pa3NVVOWel5d4_g_YmATW19AzZCYFPvo&s=B7F-gTOGAdXgv-d9S-EQZp3vbFXldElkqgrfxO16h2A&e=>

A bit of background on what I want to do here:

Sections 1-5 set the scene as to what quantum networks are, how they function, etc. Section 6 is about looking forward. Given that we know the building blocks, what do we actually want to build with them? What matters more, what matters less? What should one keep in mind when designing protocols?

My inspiration for section 6 is the following paper by David Clark "The Design Philosophy of the DARPA Internet Protocols": https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/52324.52336<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.acm.org_doi_pdf_10.1145_52324.52336&d=DwMGaQ&c=XYzUhXBD2cD-CornpT4QE19xOJBbRy-TBPLK0X9U2o8&r=xRe3k8UnFVGCjuC7RWUARpslGfYlRaP7D3dVZXHUEVc&m=NTkjIPMzNW9-rV2psBThpbL_4SczzcreTN9eN2ftlUA&s=zPp6wUaEq0Y3k-EEysQV3ujLntmrsVWYIWKfRUkMmmA&e=>

And the following RFC: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1958<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc1958&d=DwMGaQ&c=XYzUhXBD2cD-CornpT4QE19xOJBbRy-TBPLK0X9U2o8&r=xRe3k8UnFVGCjuC7RWUARpslGfYlRaP7D3dVZXHUEVc&m=NTkjIPMzNW9-rV2psBThpbL_4SczzcreTN9eN2ftlUA&s=giqVITq9aRkr8ZF_pAbOZJVkz1yuK51Rl36ZjKJIm6o&e=>

As RFC 1958 shows this need does not need to be an extensive section, but it's a good place to think a bit how the challenges introduced in the first few sections translate into protocol design.

This section will definitely benefit from protocol design/implementation experience.

Cheers,
Wojtek

On Tue, 2020-05-12 at 17:42 +0000, Wojciech Kozlowski wrote:
Hi all,

Added two more dates for additional flexibility: June 9 and June 10 (same times). So the meeting options are now June 2, 3, 9, or 10.

Doodle link: https://framadate.org/qvA3TcT8M3E1JTi9<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__framadate.org_qvA3TcT8M3E1JTi9&d=DwMGaQ&c=XYzUhXBD2cD-CornpT4QE19xOJBbRy-TBPLK0X9U2o8&r=xRe3k8UnFVGCjuC7RWUARpslGfYlRaP7D3dVZXHUEVc&m=zLIAUo2eMK5Pa3NVVOWel5d4_g_YmATW19AzZCYFPvo&s=B7F-gTOGAdXgv-d9S-EQZp3vbFXldElkqgrfxO16h2A&e=>

Regards,
Wojtek

On Tue, 2020-05-12 at 16:47 +0000, Wojciech Kozlowski wrote:
Dear QIRG,

To make progress on the Architectural Principles draft one last item of work remains which is section 6: goals and principles. Most of the document is informative and more of a review in content. However, this section allows us to bring some innovative and fresh ideas to the table and it would be great if as the QIRG we could try and do that.

The section is already non-empty so what I'm looking for is to

  *   go over what's currently written and review it
  *   discuss any further additions to both goals and principles

Anybody who has read and understood the contents of the draft so far should be able to contribute. Experts in network system design particularly welcome.

As this was meant to be a side meeting in Vancouver, to make progress I would like to organise a 1 hour long virtual meeting on either June 2 or June 3. If you would like to contribute, please fill out your availability using the link below by Monday May 18. For those for whom the time chosen might not be convenient, we will make sure the session is recorded.

https://framadate.org/qvA3TcT8M3E1JTi9<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__framadate.org_qvA3TcT8M3E1JTi9&d=DwMBAg&c=XYzUhXBD2cD-CornpT4QE19xOJBbRy-TBPLK0X9U2o8&r=xRe3k8UnFVGCjuC7RWUARpslGfYlRaP7D3dVZXHUEVc&m=90FSMEVguEJgVtbIKzB2Buv9z0nhgXvQzkSyKLVW64E&s=NnK6PpDgAbJ7WAN9SfMmqeuOIdFefQFWVaKDvC4non4&e=>

Once this section is complete, the draft will go through some editorial updates + an update on 3 repeater generations currently also in the works. If possible, this might make the draft ready for the next stage by IETF 108.

Regards,
Wojtek

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