Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgrade (#1901)
Marten Seemann <notifications@github.com> Wed, 24 October 2018 08:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgrade (#1901)
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marten-seemann commented on this pull request. > +A QUIC version is compatible with this version if the cryptographic handshake +message sent in the first packet can be used in both versions. A compatible +version is also able to identifying and acknowledge the first packet sent by the +client in some fashion. Other QUIC versions might have different constraints in +determining what is compatible. In order to facilitate this process, new QUIC +versions could define a process for transforming the first packet from other +compatible versions into the equivalent packet in the new version. + +Upgrading in this manner allows a server to upgrade without incurring the round +trip imposed by sending a Version Negotiation packet. It also allows clients to +send their first packet using a widely deployed version, without the risk of +having to use that version with servers that supports a more-preferred version. + +A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotiation packet if it prefers a version that +is not compatible with the version the client initially chose; a server has to +allow the client to choose between versions that are not compatible. What’s the use case for this? I don’t really see the point of “keeping the client simple” here, this is not one of the complex areas of the protocol. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1901#discussion_r227691764
- [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgrade (… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Marten Seemann
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Marten Seemann
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Marten Seemann
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Igor Lubashev
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Ryan Hamilton
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Marten Seemann
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… martinduke
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Mike Bishop
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Ryan Hamilton
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… David Schinazi
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Marten Seemann
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… David Schinazi
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Marten Seemann
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… David Schinazi
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… martinduke
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… David Schinazi
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… martinduke
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… martinduke
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… martinduke
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Igor Lubashev
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… martinduke
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Compatible version upgra… Martin Thomson